Ksenya Manila [00:00:01 - 00:00:06]: I think from a functional perspective, I really like, a product like Reginald Ferguson [00:00:06 - 00:00:29]: Welcome to the Fashion Geek podcast. The show that helps you learn more about men's fashion and get some tips to help you dress your best. This is Reg Ferguson, fashion geek number one. And I'm a men's fashion consultant here in New York City, born and raised. My mission is to help you learn more about men's fashion so you can become fashion confident. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:30 - 00:01:30]: So you have a wardrobe. Maybe you're proud of it. Maybe you're not. What would you do if someone asked you how your apartment looks and if it's as fly as your gear? Does your interior go with your exterior? Something to think about, My guest, Ksenia Molina of Time and Place Interiors is here on the show because she is an interior designer. So if she teaches you the importance of having a nice place and how to source pieces and coordinate them, you wouldn't necessarily be fashion confused or fashion confident, but you maybe could see how interior design and fashion complement one another. Let's find out. Choose to see my place. You need some. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:32 - 00:01:48]: Hey. If you ever found yourself staring at the closet, not knowing what to wear, if the idea of shopping for clothes makes you feel physically ill, wait till the end of the show, and I have something for you. But for now, let's get to the show. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:48 - 00:02:11]: Yo. Today, we're gonna talk with Ksenia Molina of Time and Place Interiors, and we're gonna talk about something that every man should have an interest in. How important is it to have a well coordinated home or apartment? And what connection do you see between fashion and interior design? Ksenia in the building. How are you? Ksenya Manila [00:02:11 - 00:02:12]: Hello. Thanks for having me. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:14 - 00:02:26]: Of course. So before we go into our topic, please tell us, so what do you do? So what do you what do you do? Ksenya Manila [00:02:32 - 00:03:08]: I'm an interior designer, interior decorator, whichever term you wanna use. I'm based in New York. I design for New York City, primarily spaces, and I specialize in a combination of vintage and modern. So I put together old pieces and new pieces to create characterful layered places. It allows me to introduce unique designs to my clients that they wouldn't have been able to, necessarily obtain on their own and put it together cohesively. So I make your living space feel good for you. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:11 - 00:03:15]: So why do you target young men, young professionals? Ksenya Manila [00:03:15 - 00:04:16]: Yeah. It's a good question. My focus is not just in the kinds of pieces that I use, but also, what's really important to me is authenticity. And the way that I layer pieces together, I try to bring out a sense of freshness of of a nuanced approach that I feel that young folks are more open to, that they're ready for elevating their lifestyle. They've gotten to a certain point, where they're ready to improve the way that they live, but they're not so set in their ways and haven't, accumulated enough stuff over the years that now they can't take a step back, from it. So I find that it's like a good, it's it's a it's a good section of the population that wants something fresh, wants something new and is also open to it. So when we were introduced together, initially, I went totally blank. I said I think I said to you, I was like, I I don't I don't see it connected. Get it. But right. Right. Not that I don't think interior design is important. Matter of fact, I I cannot wait until you decide to take a suicide mission and explore my living room. Make sense. But but but then, literally, towards the end of our conversation, it clicked. And I went, alright. If you are dressing well in your exterior, is it important for your interior to match in terms of presentation? Yeah. So Yeah. I think I think that's that's exactly it. There's a sort of balance, right, between how we put ourselves out there to other people and also how we feel about ourselves when we leave the house as when we come in. Right? So whether it's dressing for yourself to make you feel comfortable, confident, dressed appropriately, it's the same as in your home environment. Right? So whether it it's for the sake of occasional visitors or regular visitors, whatever your lifestyle is, or even if it's just for you. Right? So it's not just for other people to look at how you're dressed. Right? There's a sense of, confidence that comes with dressing well, dressings in ways that fit you. Right? Wearing clothes in a in a fit that's appropriate. Right? Same with you. Like, does your interior represent the kind of lifestyle that you need or want? There's that kind of balance is, I think, on on both sides, and it creates a more holistic sense of of self for you. There's lots of connections also between fashion and and interiors that are worth touching on as well. Feel free to touch on you because I'm not sure I'm not you know, this is not my my forte. Sure. Sure. No. Well, design takes interior design takes a lot of lessons from fashion. Fashion seems to kind of come come first. Like, right? Like, it's a little bit more full, fast moving. Right? And interior is kinda catch up. So there's, like, cultural shifts with that, that start on the fashion side and then come into, interiors. And a lot of, like, interior designers are looking to fashion, styles. I don't know if that's what you know, you can say trends, but, movements in in fashion. Right? And bringing that into their interior styles. And then there's also the element of, sustainability. That's an important, element to consider. Right? So, you know, fast fashion is not as detrimental even as fast, fast furniture. Right? So, like, you think of, like, cheap throwaway clothes, tend to lead to, like, over consumption, a lot of waste, same with furniture, right? Like, so, if you've had an experience where, you know, you needed something, you needed something quick, you clicked buy it now online, it looked good on the website, then it comes back and, you know, to your house and then it doesn't if it's clothing, it doesn't fit. It doesn't fit the way it should. Maybe the material isn't as good it doesn't feel as good as it looked. Maybe it's lighter in weight. Maybe the the fibers aren't quite as good quality. Right? Same with furniture. Right? Like, the the the piece shows up and maybe it was actually, kinda photoshopped a little bit or the image was doctored online, and then it doesn't What? Look, this happens all the time. Right? Or it doesn't fit in your space or the sizing isn't isn't right for, not only for, like, the space itself, but how it interacts with your furniture. So, a lot of that kind and then it then it creates, like, the cycle of, like, okay. We're gonna we're gonna get rid of this and maybe we're gonna throw it away and then we have to buy buy new. And, it's not sustainable from both an environmental perspective and it's also, not really great for, like, a sense of, like, wellness and harmony in your home environment. So, I try to take a little bit of a slower approach. Right? More thoughtful, similar to how E reg might work with people on a thoughtful approach to dressing. Right? I work with, what do you really need in your space? What does your space need? What would what would look good here and with other things? What would feel comfortable? What are good materials? What are sustainable materials? What are the layers that we need? So it's, it's not a you know, anybody can anybody can click and buy any piece of furniture, online. I'm not I'm not there to do that. Right? I'm there to put it together. It's how you put it together, and how you plan it out. That's that's the real value of it. So are you I know this is a broad generalization in me posing this question. But are you of the school that all vintage pieces are built with a quality that maybe some contemporary manufacturers don't come close to? I'd say on a broad strokes assessment, pretty much, yes. Not not everything. Right? But the thing is is that to get really good quality contemporary furniture, honestly, you have to go to, like, a pretty high echelon of of price point. It doesn't mean that there's no good contemporary furniture. There's plenty in Right. And there's no other colors. But you have to spend a lot of money. Spend a lot. Right? With with vintage, use for good vintage, you still have to spend a lot, but you can get a lot more for your money. Mhmm. So you could you know, if you vintage lighting, for example, like, is an amazing way to make your money go a long way. It just has, a design and a class and, you know, and people often think of, like, well, I have this, like, you know, this chair, but you know, it's getting worn down, but I'll just reupholster it. You know, if it's an antique that has good bones to it, then it's worth reupholstering. If it's a modern like West Elm thing, it's not going to be even like probably possible to reupholster it, let alone worth the value, right, of the labor, the materials, right? So, it's kind of like these things were down and then they're kind of, they're often made of particle board, which can't be restored, whereas, wood, wood veneers can be. So yes, for the most part, yes. You get a lot of quality. You get with vintage, you get, a heritage. And some people think of like, well, I don't really like a traditional style, but there's like tons of like really cool hip, sleek, vintage stuff out there, which is kind of the stuff that I like. That's what I'm kind of drawn to. Like, I like a layer of, like, mixing old and and and new, but, like, you think of, like, seventies and, like, chrome and curves, and it's really mod. It looks really cool. Yeah. It looks really fresh. So it doesn't mean that you have to have kind of, you know, your your grandmother's look. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right. So I'm not trying to have you give away your secrets, Ksenia, but how do you source simply? Yeah. Yeah. I think it takes a combination of putting together, contacts over the years of of working, of knowing where to go for what. Right? And so that could be particular showrooms. That could be particular sellers who I know whose websites check it could be, marketplaces, like first dibs or cherish. It could mean hunting in the place where you would least expect it. You know? In the last project that I worked for for a young guy, we bought, a nineteen seventies painting from France on First Dibs, but also we got, like, an antique Persian rug from Facebook Marketplace. So there's really, like, there's no yeah. There's we're like, no. There's no there's no right or wrong. Right? So it's not so much where you buy it. It's it's what it is, and there's some real surprises out there. So that hunt is kind of the fun part of the of the project. Right? They say that design is understand those. Percent, creative and 90% administrative. So in my line of work, there's a ton Really? Yeah. There's a ton of operations involved. Right? So it's again, it's not, like, the the the click and buy. Right? So, like, just to implement a project just to, you know, say we've already selected everything. Right? We've priced everything out. We've come up with a budget. We've come up with a plan. We have our furniture selected. Now what? Right? So, dealing with vendors, dealing with potential, that ordered products, making sure that pricing is accurate. If something comes in damage dealing with restorations or returns and exchanges, warehousing things, planning thing to get things into a New York City apartment. Right? So making sure that certificates of insurance are are, are filled out that the building elevator is reserved for access, that the super is aware of the delivery. Right? That the sofa fits into the space. And if it doesn't, then you might have to call the sofa doctor, and they'll take the sofa apart, and then they'll put it together. There's a lot of there's a lot of back end operations. And so a lot of my work is not just to open up great designs for clients, but to help them make it happen so that they can focus on other things, right, in their life, whether it's work or brunch or, you know, the gym or whatever, family time, whatever they however they wanna spend it rather than chasing, you know, chasing deliveries and and issues. So the issues always come up. That's a guarantee. What matters is who's on your team to deal with it professionally and take responsibility for it. So that's a lot of the value is what of of what I do. Sure. Who is the sofa doctor? What is this interview? No. No. It's it's a business. It's a business. Okay. Yeah. I it has not happened to me before. It does not happen. But I'm waiting for the time that it does. You do what you can in advance. Right? Like, you bring in the receiver mover, who measures the elevator, right, and says, like, can this sofa come in before you purchase the sofa? But sometimes you do all your dojo linens and then there's still an issue. So they, like, somehow will saw it in half and then, like, seam it together. And then, you know, client comes home and the sofa is is in place in one piece, not in two. Wow. Okay. Wait a sec. Alright. Well Yeah. That that's a special service. That is not a I'm sure it's messy, but I'm sure it's expensive. It can. It it can be. But that you know, it's also it's also expensive to make mistakes like this on your own. You know? And then Yeah. You know, then you don't have the relationships and you don't know who to call and you go to a handyman. Right. You might not know what to do. And, you know, this this could easily happen without a designer. Right? But then it's it's on you to Right. Right, to deal with it. So we're here to we're we're here to make your life a little easier, a little simpler. Certainly. Yeah. That is the direct parallel between our services unquestionably. So you've hinted at some errors. What is your favorite error currently of furniture to source for a client? What error? Yeah. I mean, I have a soft spot for Italian and French nineteen forties and nineteen fifties stuff. Woah. It's, it just has a quality and a panache to it that is just unmatched. Like, it's it's sleek but sophisticated, and the design is just, like, think of like, it's like the best of Italian, but like Italian, but make it modern, you know? So that stuff's really amazing. And I'm loving incorporating, I'm loving incorporating vintage Persian rugs, which I mentioned before, in really sleek, modern spaces. I love putting them in contemporary kitchens. Like, say you have a kitchen with, like, you moved into a new place. Right? And you've got like new cabinetry and, you know, your stone island and new fancy appliances. Right? But it still kinda feels a little cold. Right? So like putting a vintage Persian runner, there, which has, like, really good wear on it. Like, you can, like, really beat it up and and even spill on it, honestly, and it'll be okay. And that instantly, like, elevates the design. Right? And then it, like, creates, like, a layer, personality that wasn't there before. So I think that's probably, me in a nutshell is, like, contemporary place, vintage stuff. What's the worst error that you avoid? Era or or error? What the state? Yuck. No. Error. ERA. So you gave us your best, forties and fifties Italian. Yeah. What's your worst? What's the one you're like, no. Well, what do I really not like? I don't like Tiffany lamps. They kinda remind me of I mean, I know. They're they're they're it's not like the same quality, but they kinda remind me of t g t TGI Fridays. Oh my gosh. I don't love that. Ain't that about a Tiffany lamp? Oh. There's something for everybody. You know? And it's just any lamp they will have. So, you know, I I don't try to I try to push authenticity rather than a particular style necessarily. I try to I try to push clients boundaries a little bit. Right? But it's it's it's Sure. It is essentially right. Which you might you might do a little bit. Like, right, like, you kind of figure out, like, what's Oh, yeah. I definitely do. The guy style. Right? But then, like, let's amp it up a little bit. Right? Like Yep. You like pattern? Why don't we push it just a little bit? Or you like linen? Let's do not just the linen, you know, jacket, but the I don't know. You know you know you know that much better. Right? So I do I do the same. Right? So, like, okay. You like mid century? Great. Instead of, like, going to to West Elm and getting the full mid century stuff, let's go get the real stuff. You know? And, and it'll last be longer. You know? And it doesn't necessarily have to break the bank, but, you'll feel a lot a lot better about it. So we know the parallels now between I mean, maybe you knew from the beginning. I did not. But I discovered something that I just talked about. Hey, ma'am. My old dog. Do you ever I'm sorry. I I didn't mean to interrupt. I'm just saying that in conversation, you know, you kind of you you you feedback off of off the other professionals. So, but Right. Yeah. Do you ever, like, ask a client, like, about his style, you know, clothing wise, satorily, and then and then figure out the complement for the interior? Yeah. I feel that, clothing style tends to be more accessible for people to know what they like, and so that's often a branching off point. You know, it's it's hard to with some people, you can get it, but with with with others, you kinda need to figure out what are different ways to to pull out of them what they like and what they don't like. And that could start with with fashion. Right? It could start with, like, you like a casual look. You like a more dressed up look. You like, you like to accessorize. You you know, you like minimal. So that's often a, yeah, that's often a branching off point, to figuring out what kind of what kind of home environment they they wanna live in. Or if it's not, you know, what are, like, travel destinations you like, and what's the aesthetic of those destinations? Like, can we pull from that? You know, so there's different there's different, like, elements besides just asking, like, what's your favorite interior design style? Because, honestly, like, a lot of people don't necessarily know how to answer that question. You know? They can't, like, point to, like, a, you know, an encyclopedia of, like, history of of design. But maybe there's an art style that they like. You know? And that art style, is, kind of abstract and modern, or maybe there's one that's, more colorful, and maybe we can glean from clues from that on where to begin to to plan what their space should look like too so that it's cohesive to their personality and feels like a natural extension of their their interests and their aesthetics. Now we're both in New York City. Yeah. Not every listener or viewer is. So I realize there's something I have to ask you in terms of in light of what you do. Yeah. Closets. Yes. Yeah. Do you have some helpful tips for the viewers and listeners about, you know, what do you do with closets? Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's not all that much space in those closets. Right? So, I would I would bet that when they work with you, you encourage them to clean those closets out and, you know, get rid of things that, hopefully, sustainably, that don't work for them anymore and make room for for what does. Right? So I think, I think the more efficient and organized your closet is, the more it affects what's outside of your closet. Right? Not just for some clothing, but for everything else. Right? So, if you can fit more more things into the closet, then there's less clutter in your the rest of your interior. So I think it's hugely important. I think from a functional perspective, I really like, a product like, at the Container Store, there's Alpha, which is a Scandinavian product. It's super modular. You can have short hang, long hang, storage on super high shelves for things you don't use very often like suitcases. You can put your, you know, your summer stuff away and, you know, a hidden semi hidden area and during the winter and vice versa. So I a lot of times when I see a a client's existing space, they struggle with how to how to clean it up from from clutter. And so I think closets are, like, a number one solution. From a decorator perspective, like, I think, you know, maybe you'd agree with me, but, like, with the way we we dress ourselves is, like, kind of a ritual. Right? So, like, is it sets up our day, right? And so if you can make that process nice for yourself, both functionally and visually, it like sets you off on a nice tone for the day. So, are there ways that even if the closet is small, you can sort of make it into a pleasant experience for you? I, you know, if you can't necessarily have a cedar cedar closet, could you wallpaper that out of the closet, right? And so, like, it's like something that's not visible to anybody but you. But when you open it, it's like a nice kinda surprise, right? Or if you have, you know, if you're lucky in New York that you have a walk in closet and there's a light fixture above, you know, that's kind of the contractor grade, kind of white light that's maybe not so not not, you know, so flattering. Can you have that be swapped out for a nicer a nicer fixture. It doesn't mean that it needs to be, you know, crystal chandelier, but, you know, maybe a flush mount that is, that is a little bit more attractive and makes you feel good when you when you get dressed in the morning. Is there is there any room right outside your closet, if not inside your closet, for a little for a little stool so that you can, you know, put your shoes take your shoes on and off in a more comfortable way? I think all of those things are can really make a difference to how we feel in our space. Right? Because we live in we live in these places. Right? It's not just for it's not just for looks, but it's for, it's for for our lifestyle. You know, you hit on lifestyle because I know nothing about what you do. Right? I'm totally ignorant. How do you proceed with a consistency and theme from, let's say, literally the foyer that I'm gesturing towards for anyone who's watching or even listening into a living room Yeah. Into a kitchen, into a bedroom, into a bathroom. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great question because a lot of the value of interior design is that cohesive flow so that the space feels like it's it's one it doesn't be. Then all the rooms have to have the same type of things in them or everything has to match, but it should feel like it all belongs to you. It's all there for a reason, and there is some sort of connectivity between, the different spaces. So I the more holistically you can you can plan your space, the better. Right? So to not do it so, like, topped up, like, do this room now and then another room at a different time. It's okay if that happens, but the more you can plan out ahead, for how the spaces will be, the more there is cohesion between, the design. Right? And, but then also, can we somehow weave in some similarity, from one room to the next? That doesn't have to be so matchy matchy, but is there like an echo of something like a, you know, is a color on a chair, like somehow repeated on a rug in the next room. And it should be like really, it should be subtle, right? Because otherwise it looks like too prescribed, right? Like it looks like a hotel room. So we don't want that, right? But, and a lot of it is kind of like a style cohesion. Right? So is there is is there, a continuation of a particular theme or the way that it's layered is what is our our spaces, minimum you know, if you have a minimal space, like, are each of the spaces minimal? Are each of the spaces layered? Do they all look eclectic? And and sometimes it's about like putting in an element that you wouldn't necessarily think of in a particular space, right? So, you know, you don't want your kitchen, or your bathroom to be like completely unrelated to the rest, right? So I think that's like a good way to illustrate it. Right? So in your bathroom, like, yeah, it's a functional space, but is there a place to hang some wall art? Can the lighting in there, be with a, like, an interesting vanity light that is in the style or at least to your aesthetic liking of the lighting in your dining room. In your kitchen, can like my example of the vintage Persian rug on the floor, like, can we weave in character into there? Can we, put, you know, even small things like, you know, a bowl for keeping fruit, you know, that is more decorative than just functional. Like there is accessories that we can, that we can, that we can weave in. For example, my kitchen is like has white and white cabinets on top, like cabinets on the bottom. Right? And so, it ended up feeling a little bit, like, not the kind of flow that I would want from my from my dining room, which is right outside of it, which has, a Danish modern teak table and chair set. So I put, put a piece of, teak tableware on the kitchen counter. And so then it kind of like leaves the connection. Like there's, you know, a little bit of an echo of a space. It takes finesse. It takes it takes looking. Mhmm. And it it should be it should be undone with a light touch. Touch. What has been your favorite project so far with a client? Yeah. I think, well, the one I the one I just wrapped up, this is a West Village high rise, was really exciting. It's for a young man who, bought his first apartment, has incredible views of the city. So that the setting was really great, but it was kind of white, you know, kind of like a a white box blank space, like a nineteen sixties, place. And we really layered it. So he wanted a modern look, but a place where an antique wouldn't feel out of out of place. So most of the things were sourced from vintage. When we got him, like, a a leather, Danish safari chair, with a more antique look. Yeah. I know. Right? Sounds fancy. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, it sounds I don't know what it looks like. It just sounds fancy. It's a it's a piece of fold. It's called campaign furniture. So, from, the turn of the century, when these European military military guys would be, in going to different places, you know, colonizing the rest of the world, they would have campaign furniture so they could be disassembled and put together wherever they were. So the campaign share is like, the safari campaign is like completely folds and then it unfolds. You can take you could take it with me. What? You probably won't, but it's a really cool piece. It's from the nineteen sixties. It has black color, so it looks really masculine. But then we have, you know, we've got, we've got hand, handmade art. So we have The building was constructed in 1962. We have a super large, photo art that was framed of, a view of Penn Station taken in the same year. So there's, like, reference to the architecture. We've got, we've got a French, nineteen sixties boucle swivel chair that's really mod, but then we have the client brought in, an old secretary desk of his. Dining room's really cool. We've got a contemporary, wood table, and around it are these mod vintage, black leather and chrome chairs. So it's all it all looks really modern, but it looks fresh. So I'm really excited, and I get it. I've just got it professionally photographed, so I can't wait to I can't wait to have those fine one images, ready to show. That's your flex. There's no question about that. What has been your worst project, Ksenia? Keep it real. The one you were like, what am I doing? Yeah. Well, you you you learn, you know, you learn as you go. Right? You gotta make some mistakes. Right? And so and I I you kinda start off doing family and friend projects when you when you first kick off. Right? And so then I had a, not not a close relative, but I had a relative I was working with for their project. And there wasn't a lot of communication, at the outset of what expectations were of what I was doing for them, what they were going to be doing. And so the project never, like, made it to completion. So I I don't have the benefit of having my my mark be on a place, and they don't have the benefit of having a complete space. And I think setting out expectations at the start, you know, with a proper with a proper contract, not to be litigious, but so that there is an understanding of of of what the professionals is doing for you and how it's gonna work and, what the process are. So I think projects are as a the the the way to run an interior design project is is to have solid repeatable processes, and operations that are consistent. The project can look different. It can have a different scope. But if you're organized and you've got your operations in in check and your ducks in a row, that's what really, like, makes a project feel feel right both for the designer and for the end client. So I've I've come a long way since that time. So now, like, yeah, issues still happen, but, there's a way. There's a schedule. There's a there's there's a sense of confidence that's built in to the client that things will be done professionally and handled correctly. That I think is is just as important as the quality of the design. So I take I take pride on that. There's always room to grow. But, it's it's not to be underestimated, I think. No. No. Of course not. I totally understand that. We are off to the lightning round Okay. Resenia. Okay. Why is fashion important? Fashion is a representation of us to ourselves and to others, and it's a way to, reflect our our personalities, and our values through our bodies. What could be what could be more personal than than your body and and how you take care of it, whether it's through wellness or with dressing. Well said. What difference has fashion made in your life? The still of my closets. I think from a I think I was thinking about, like, what's my what's my fashion. You know, I'm I'm I I think it's relationship perspective. Like, when I when I was a little bit, younger and and and single, I spent a lot of time, shopping with my mom, and we kind of treated it as, like like, the the the the time together for something that we both liked. And so I think it I think it, it helped that relationship, like, grow and blossom over a a mutual interest of, you know, vintage shopping or, or or regular shopping. So I have, like, fond memories of that from my from my late twenties, early thirties. That's cool. Yeah. What is the top fashion tip you would give the everyday man to look his best? Yeah. Wear what fits. Wear what fits. And don't be don't be afraid to go against the grain. You don't necessarily need to look like everybody else on the street. You can if you want to, but, you know, maybe ask ask Reg if it's a good look for you. But if he says yes, don't be afraid to push the boundary a little bit if if if it's something that you feel special in. Kinda like furniture. Yeah. Yeah. Great great parallel. Last but not least, what does the expression always be fly mean to you? Yeah. Yeah. Looks like a good one. Thank you. Always have a sense of style. It doesn't mean that you need to be outlandish, fabulous, but have a mark to yourself, something that sets you apart. It can be super subtle, be super minimal, but something that is a look of for for you. Right? Is it your is it your sensibility with cool shoes? For me, it's my vintage shoes. Is it a particular, you know, is it a particular look that you have, like a particular style? Is it a type of clothing? Hone in on that on that on that element and and stick with it, if it's working for you, if it makes you feel good. I like that. Ksenia Molina, time and place interiors. This was very interesting. All of my interviews are, but, and this was interesting in more ways than one. That's a little inside joke between us. Yeah. So, I can't wait until you, either virtually or in person, look at my living room, and I will provide the smelling salts. Amazing. I you don't even need it because I won't faint. We've seen it all. It's a super personal it's a super personal we get into, like, we get into all kinds of things if clients want us to. So, things don't faze me, and it it'd be it'd be my pleasure. Cool. Yeah. I'll see you on the other side. Thanks, Reg. Great to be here. So you learned from Ksenia that there is a definite parallel between fashion and interior design. The inside of our place should be coordinated with our gear which is worn on the outside. It is certainly an equivalent skill to coordinate a place as it is a person. You can find Ksenia Molina on Instagram at time and place interiors or on the web at timeandplaceinteriors.com. If you wanna level up your style game to your interior game, then let's make it happen. Take initiative and become fashion confident in thirty days. All you have to do is email me at reg@nyfashiongeek.com for a consultation. Well, that's a wrap. To my team of interns, past and present, who have helped make the Fashion Geek podcast what it is today, I thank you. Always be fly.