Reginald Ferguson [00:00:01]: Hello. I'm Reg. Tiff [00:00:02]: And I'm Tiff. And we're the fashion geeks. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:04]: Trying to make New York. Tiff [00:00:06]: And the world. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:06]: Well, New York is the world. Tiff [00:00:07]: A little flyer, one outfit Reginald Ferguson [00:00:09]: And podcast. Tiff [00:00:10]: At a time. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:14]: Welcome to another round. We are the fashion geeks. Tiff [00:00:17]: Hello. Hello. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:19]: I'm I'm Reg Ferguson, creator of New York fashion geek, AKA for the podcast, fashion geek number 1 to my side, ride or die on the right. Tiff [00:00:27]: Tiffany Minettow Schreiber, fashion geek number 2. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:30]: Oh, yeah. Alright, Tiff. I hear we're having a Tiff takeover today. Tiff [00:00:35]: Yes. Yes. I just Reginald Ferguson [00:00:36]: Oh my I'm Tiff [00:00:37]: sorry. I'm sorry if I hurt y'all's ears. I'm a little excited. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:40]: I I could tell. Hey, Tiff. You know what I just realized? Tiff [00:00:43]: Know what? Reginald Ferguson [00:00:43]: We're like the We're really on the same wavelength because this is a Sunday. Tiff [00:00:48]: Yep. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:49]: We have no problem revealing that. And, we both did a A casual sneeze of a sweater. Tiff [00:00:56]: Yeah. We did it. And jeans. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:58]: And dungarees. Tiff [00:00:59]: Oh, dungarees. Jeans. Most normal people call them jeans. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:02]: I'm normal. Dungarees. Shout out to my grandpa. Tiff [00:01:06]: I love yours. I love they're kind of Reginald Ferguson [00:01:08]: Oh, thanks. Tiff [00:01:08]: Like a gray. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:09]: They're gray. Tiff [00:01:10]: And pop. Now they're great. Now they're great. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:11]: They're great. These are my Tiff [00:01:13]: I love those. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:13]: Thank you. These are my rain jeans because we had inclement weather. Tiff [00:01:16]: Are they do they have some waterproof? Reginald Ferguson [00:01:18]: No. No. No. No. No. I, ladies and gentlemen, I advise everyone to do this. When you have a rainy day, You need a pair of rain pants, so to speak. So if it's rainy day and it's the weekend, I pull out my dungarees. Tiff [00:01:33]: What are they? These Reginald Ferguson [00:01:34]: pretty Levi's? Tiff [00:01:35]: Oh, they're beautiful. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:36]: Thank you very much. Tiff [00:01:38]: So you're rocking kind of sort of 2 shades of gray going on, and I love that. I love Oh, Reginald Ferguson [00:01:42]: thank you. Tiff [00:01:43]: Impop. It's not a monochrome because clearly, you know, you've got 2 different shades, but it's sorta is all it is a gray to match the day. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:52]: It's a gray yes. It's a gray one. Did Tiff [00:01:54]: that? Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:54]: It was pretty slick. Tiff [00:01:56]: Sometimes I can rhyme. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:57]: Now your your sweater, Impop. Tiff [00:02:00]: Don't you like it? Reginald Ferguson [00:02:00]: Yeah. It's very nice. Tiff [00:02:01]: It's one of my fashion finds Oh. From a big shopping spree. That that wonderful store I found On the Upper East Side. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:09]: Oh, the, the one that has a name like the club. What was it called? Tiff [00:02:13]: Foxes. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:14]: Yes. Foxes. How's that? The one with the animal name. Tiff [00:02:16]: I love me some foxes. This sweater is was very Reginald Ferguson [00:02:20]: was out on Long Island. That's what I think now. It was a club. Tiff [00:02:23]: It was a club? Reginald Ferguson [00:02:24]: It was for real. Tiff [00:02:26]: Wow. Foxy. This is definitely this is a shopping club. Four levels, y'all. For the ladies out there, I know this is an everyday menswear podcast. But I know you ladies are listening. Absolutely. To check out Fox's. Tiff [00:02:38]: And they're not just on the upper east side. They're in Brooklyn. They're out on the island. Apparently, they've got stores in, And pop. Up up up in, like, the up north of the city. Westchester. Westchester. I'll yeah. Tiff [00:02:50]: Impop. I'm not a Reginald Ferguson [00:02:52]: Up yonder. Tiff [00:02:53]: Up yonder. I'm not I'm not familiar with the geography north of, of the Bronx, so just, you know, forgive me. Forgive me. Yikes. I don't even live in Manhattan. I live in Queens. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:04]: Yes. You do. Qborough. Tiff [00:03:07]: So we have, gotten back on the horse. We went away for A little while, but, we're back Back Reginald Ferguson [00:03:11]: at it. Tiff [00:03:12]: Back at it from our episode 20, Reg. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:16]: Wow. Tiff [00:03:17]: We've hit 20. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:19]: I feel good. Tiff [00:03:19]: Pretty amazing. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:20]: Yes. It is. Tiff [00:03:21]: And to bring in our episode 20, I'm gonna take over. I'm gonna I've Reginald Ferguson [00:03:26]: been told. Tiff [00:03:27]: Give you a little little time off. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:28]: Thank you. I'm gonna stretch my legs. Tiff [00:03:30]: Yeah. Relax a little bit. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:31]: Kinda tall. Tiff [00:03:32]: Yeah. Reg is, working hard there for a while, but, Impa. Finally time for Reginald Ferguson [00:03:36]: me to Housewing. Tiff [00:03:37]: Time for me to take over a little bit and and, bring forth some knowledge. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:42]: Break it down. Tiff [00:03:43]: Alright. Well, the first thing and the most important thing, I think, in this, day and age that we need to talk about and not day and age. There's something going on in the fashion industry that we tell what exactly. Need to, I think, discuss. And, you know, it would be remiss of us if we didn't talk about it. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:01]: Well, what did you have in mind? Tiff [00:04:03]: I guess we can call it, the racial insensitivity in the fashion industry. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:10]: I think that's very accurate. Tiff [00:04:12]: Right? I think those are your words, actually. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:14]: I was gonna say that sounds like something I would say. Tiff [00:04:16]: Quote and unquote from Reg. And, I have to say, it is it does merit discussion. And, Reginald Ferguson [00:04:24]: I'm down. Tiff [00:04:25]: The past Impop. 2 years, the the fashion industry has been called to question on some of its items that have been put out for, consumption. And pop. And, I have to say a forerunner in the fashion industry, Dapper Dan, finally put his foot down and said enough is enough And pop. And, brought forth a, a a summit of some kind. Right? He Yes. I wanna start there. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:48]: Sure. And I can chime in whenever you need me to because Tiff [00:04:51]: I will. This man, who basically taught himself to Fanta's fashion industry. His story's amazing. We covered him in another episode. So Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:58]: We're actually we're really this is a shout out. It's really more of a SOS. Hall and Will Robeson. Help me. We're trying to we're trying to do this. Mister Jelani Day, please. Tiff [00:05:10]: Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:11]: We really wanna do we really wanna have Dapper Dan on the show. Tiff [00:05:14]: I would Reginald Ferguson [00:05:15]: love it. We will we're working on it. That's why we Tiff [00:05:19]: need to Reginald Ferguson [00:05:20]: figure out our mobile capabilities. Oh. Tiff [00:05:22]: Yeah. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:23]: Our producer has perked up. I've been rock I've been telling my producer y'all about, hey. You know, people come to Brooklyn. That's where our studio is, but We need to sometimes go to Mohammed. Mohammed Dapper Dan. Tiff [00:05:35]: Oh, how interesting. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:36]: Well, working on it. Working on it. I don't know. Tiff [00:05:37]: Be fun. I don't Reginald Ferguson [00:05:38]: even wanna jinx myself. Oh, gosh. Why are we talking about this? Tiff [00:05:40]: So about to about back to to Dapper Dan, this man, his story impresses me so much. I am self taught as far as, designing, patterns and designing, what I used to do is design costumes. And I even designed clothing for myself to wear. I just Impop. Dabbled in it a little bit. Mine was mostly designing costumes. But I know how hard it is. And I know, to teach yourself, you really have to be invested and have passion, and this man did, and the things, the challenges. Tiff [00:06:10]: You know, we go we go we go into it deep in in one of our past episodes. So make sure you You look back and you listen. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:16]: Episode 6. Tiff [00:06:17]: Episode 6. Thank you very much. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:19]: But who's counting? Tiff [00:06:20]: But it, let's do present day. He And pop. He called forth, fashion design house, Gucci, to let's we we gotta talk about this. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:31]: Did he? Tiff [00:06:31]: Because Why Reginald Ferguson [00:06:32]: don't we take a step back? Why did he Tiff [00:06:34]: And pop. Because they put out a sweater, balaclava is what you called it. It's a balaclava jumper. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:41]: That was a fashion word of the day. Tiff [00:06:42]: Which, Impop. You pulled the collar up, and it looked like the blackface. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:46]: Sambo. Tiff [00:06:47]: It was so obvious. I can't even talk about it. It was so I couldn't even believe it. And, of course, the world ignited in in outrage Because Reginald Ferguson [00:06:59]: Particularly because the social media has made has made the world so much closer. Yep. And news, whether it's accurate or inaccurate, so accessible. Unbeknownst to you, I went to Macy's a few weeks ago for Black History Month, and Dapper Dan, Essentially, it was a Dapper Dan speaker event. Tiff [00:07:20]: Yes. You you forwarded that. I could not make it, but I really wanted to be there because Reginald Ferguson [00:07:24]: I made it. I went there. Tiff [00:07:26]: Impop Did you shake hands? Reginald Ferguson [00:07:27]: Sold sold out event. No. No. No. No. No. No. Tiff [00:07:29]: No. No. No. But you got to hear him. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:31]: Yes. I got to hear him, and that was important. And that's why, again, Really love to have you on Tiff [00:07:36]: the show. Reg, you can't hear you. You gotta speak that up. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:39]: Love to have you on the show, mister Dan. Tiff [00:07:41]: There we go. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:42]: So So I actually was there to witness, you know, to witness him breaking things down, and I I'm totally Par paraphrased, ladies and gentlemen, and, of course, Dapper Dan and and the and the crew, the family. But, essentially, He was like, this will be handled. The CEO was coming to Harlem that week. Tiff [00:08:04]: The CEO CEO of Gucci Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:06]: To be clear. Tiff [00:08:07]: From Italy Reginald Ferguson [00:08:08]: Yes. Tiff [00:08:08]: To meet with him and other heads like, big time names in Harlem, the the industry to sit down and have a discussion about this this has to stop. There has to be you have to create jobs, for for young people to to move up and learn the business unlike he had. Impa. You also have to create a council. I I they're called councils, committees, so that things like this get noticed. They don't pass through unnoticed and get out there for mass consumption. And he took Gucci to task, And they came back. He was like, you're gonna come back with remedies. Tiff [00:08:53]: What you're going to do to make changes in the industry to make, jobs available for the less fortunate. The the the ones who can't pay money, big time money to go to these big time Impop. Design schools, but they they can learn the trade. It's a trade. You know? You've gotta create these opportunities for anyone and everyone. Pop. Reginald Ferguson [00:09:13]: But particularly for people of color. Let's be clear. Tiff [00:09:16]: And and he demanded that, and Gucci came back with this is what we're gonna do. And other brands also followed suit. So Reginald Ferguson [00:09:23]: Well, at the speaker event, he made it clear. And, again, I I don't wanna misappropriate. I'm paraphrasing. But, essentially, he said, when these situations happen, we have to make them pay. So I think also there was a big immediate outrage as well because let's be clear about something else you haven't mentioned. There is a collab out with Dapper Dan and Gucci. I mean, we discussed it in our episode. Tiff [00:09:47]: We met you. Reginald Ferguson [00:09:48]: This this isn't happening in the ether. This isn't happening He's not coming in from out of left field. He has a relationship, and I think he was also probably challenged. And I think that's why he really took the The assertive stands at the speaker event because I think he was being called to Tiff [00:10:06]: He was. Reginald Ferguson [00:10:07]: Yeah. Repudiate them or Tiff [00:10:08]: or drop Reginald Ferguson [00:10:09]: tie severed ties, and he was like, that's not happening. Tiff [00:10:11]: Big artists were burning their Gucci items in protest. So, Reginald Ferguson [00:10:17]: I just have a watch. That's it. Tiff [00:10:20]: I don't have any I don't have anything. Reginald Ferguson [00:10:22]: Back in the day class of Jimmy. Tiff [00:10:24]: I was I never really was into Gucci. It was one out of my price range. And, I just I don't know. I didn't I guess because it was out of my price range, I didn't see anything that I particularly needed or had to have. So Reginald Ferguson [00:10:41]: the fact that he's at the epicenter of this, I found to be extremely interesting. Tiff [00:10:48]: I'm sure he was conflicted because of his business dealings with Gucci, his recent collabo, his his line. And pop. He was in he is in the perfect position to be the man to take the bull by the horns and make a change and make a difference Impop. And call for all of these big fashion houses to do something, to make a change. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:11]: Certainly. I think what's interesting is Whether it's a brand or if we just look at the history of this country, in terms of advertising, there has been, there have oh, pardon me. In our past, in our history, there have been amazingly disparaging images of black people as Sambo's particularly to sell products. Tiff [00:11:37]: Yep. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:38]: Amazing. Tiff [00:11:39]: But I I what I I just don't understand how it's why it's used today. Like, why did these Impa. These different fashion big time fashion industries go go to that. Did they not understand? Reginald Ferguson [00:11:53]: Well, it's not Gucci Solely, it's D&G. They've been they've been in a situation. Burberry's been in a situation. Prada's been in a situation. Tiff [00:12:01]: H and M? Reginald Ferguson [00:12:02]: H and M. Yes. Tiff [00:12:03]: That was the other one. Reginald Ferguson [00:12:04]: Been, yes, been in a situation as well. I think what is happening is people continue to have an insensitivity towards people who do not look like them. And to be shocking, to be graphic, all of a sudden comes at our expense. Tiff [00:12:24]: Katy Perry. I mean, Reginald Ferguson [00:12:25]: even Kate I was gonna say even Katie pair even Katy Perry. There aren't Tiff [00:12:31]: people know better. Reginald Ferguson [00:12:32]: All of them should know better. Listen. In Asia, there used to be a toothpaste called darkie. No. Absolutely. And there was a Sambo on that tube. You could look it up. So this has been going on for a long time, And, unfortunately, it still persist. Reginald Ferguson [00:12:55]: The why the why is because We are not taken seriously as a market, particularly with the significant disposable income that we have, And I think still our inability to guide it in the right direction. People of color do not operate in a monolith. I'm very well aware of that. I understand that. Certainly Tiff [00:13:18]: What do you mean by don't operate in a monolith? Reginald Ferguson [00:13:20]: Meaning that we we're not Single-minded. We don't make a single choice. We have a diversity. People wanna do whatever they wanna do, and that's that's fine. That's okay. I certainly think It is important, though, to know what people are saying about you and where you should put your money. Tiff [00:13:37]: Absolutely. Reginald Ferguson [00:13:38]: My late grandfather always used to say That you're the consumer. You're always in control. And I feel like even when we talk about fashion finds and Tiff [00:13:47]: stuff like that. He was before his time. Reginald Ferguson [00:13:49]: He was a very smart man. He's Still, to this day, he's one of my heroes. So how to be a man, how to be satorily sharp, blah blah blah blah. So Just understanding that, do you go and burn the stuff? I don't know. But do you make conscious decisions maybe not to make purchases? Tiff [00:14:10]: Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:11]: You could. Do you now listen to this point plan And go, I'm gonna give them a waiting period or all is forgiven. There's so many different ways to approach this, But the one thing I darn sure know is that I would never consciously purchase items for a brand that have inflammatory images and signals about my race to the point of detriment and buffoonery. But this has always happened. This is not new. This is not. Tiff [00:14:47]: In pop. Is it just now coming to the foreground because of so many ways, so many ways social media is is now out there. Things can't just fall through the cracks anymore. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:59]: Right. Things happen. Well, that's what I said. I mean, information, misinformation. Tiff [00:15:04]: So it's not like this all of a sudden has just started happening. It's been going on, but because of Instagram and Facebook not just black folks. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:12]: I mean, the D and G issue Yep. Of China. Tiff [00:15:14]: Yep. I read about that. I was like Reginald Ferguson [00:15:16]: And they are see, to me, here's a big difference between African American spending power in that market. They're not playing around. Tiff [00:15:25]: No. They stopped by. I mean and they've really Reginald Ferguson [00:15:28]: En mass. Tiff [00:15:29]: The, Dolce and Gabbana head, their bottom line has really been hit by the fact that the Chinese people as a whole are not buying that brand anymore. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:39]: It befuddles me why black and brown people cannot also mobilize on an issue like this. That's what I find concerning. Tiff [00:15:48]: I why everyone as a human being cannot mobilize on a issue. This has gotta stop. It has to stop. Now I have a question for you. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:57]: Certainly. Tiff [00:15:58]: With this, Impop. I'll call it a summit between, Dapper Dan and, the the head honcho at Gucci and fellow community leaders. Do you think, Impa. The changes, put forth by Gucci and, you know, other big names are starting to fall line as well. They, they're putting together councils of diversity within their fashion houses as well. Do you think it's gonna work? Reginald Ferguson [00:16:26]: I think it can work. I think what also has to happen is that if there is more diversity in the executive ranks Impossibly design ranks. Tiff [00:16:34]: It has to happen. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:36]: Maybe maybe we wouldn't have these sorrowful things fall through the cracks. Tiff [00:16:41]: I, I would certainly agree. Yeah. You I think that well, I can't even understand how, particularly looking at Gucci's sweater right now. This fell through the cracks. I don't understand that. How and then Prada's display? Impa. I mean, how did that fall through the cracks? Reginald Ferguson [00:17:03]: Mario Balotelli is a premier soccer player. He is Italian. His family is originally from Africa. I think he was I think originally he played for Inter. And When they won the fans. Right? He is he is Italian, speaks the language. When the fans had beef, they threw bananas on the field. So understand this. Reginald Ferguson [00:17:32]: Understand this. Tiff [00:17:36]: I can't understand it. That's why. I mean, I saw this image the 1st time I saw this image, and it was so shocking. And I was like, How the question, how how is this out on the shelf? Reginald Ferguson [00:17:48]: But I think you hit on something. Tiff [00:17:49]: How can this get by some 1 person's eyes? My Hair went up on the back of my neck when I saw this. Like, I had a visceral visceral reaction. Like, oh, no. No. No. No. No. No. Tiff [00:18:01]: This is This is not right. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:03]: And I'm glad, but I think also to be clear for the listeners, I'm African American. You are not. I'm glad that you have that reaction. And unfortunately for me, I'm so desensitized, I rolled my eyes and it was another day in the office. So what is that what is that saying? Tiff [00:18:23]: That says something very sorrowful about our human existence to this to this day. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:30]: I love clothing. I've made a choice to be a fashion consultant. I take all comers. I don't care what you look like. Literally, I really don't. I don't care your body type. I just want us to get along, and I wanna make you look fly. I would never consciously be involved in anything that would be derogatory towards my client, And I couldn't imagine representing any brands that viewed me less than. Tiff [00:19:05]: So, And pop. Shall we say it? Gucci is not going to be your recommended list of items for any of your clients Impop For a long time. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:16]: Well, I told you, I only have a watch. So I mean, but that's you know, clearly, it's all subjective. Right? I just It's not my sneeze. Tiff [00:19:23]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:23]: I've been clearly, I've been following them. We talked about Dapper Dan, and we still do ad nauseam. Yep. We gave a lot of love in our episode. Clearly, we are thirsty to do an interview. Tiff [00:19:34]: If we haven't said that enough. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:37]: We're a parent. Tiff [00:19:38]: And we're gonna be talking more about him in a little bit. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:41]: So and I love I love This collabo, but I I I'm intrigued about his approach. I am. But he said when this happens, We make them pay. And, again, I you know, I don't wanna paraphrase it, but I was there at the event, and I was like, oh. It was very it was a very interesting event. I don't wanna you know, this is your episode, so I don't take away from it. Tiff [00:20:04]: Well, no. This is our episode. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:06]: No. I understand. But it's TIFF takeover, so it was really it was really intriguing. Because, again, there's so many different ways to approach this. And to reiterate, I think the reason why he was so aggressive is because I don't take him to be a big social media cat. Tiff [00:20:23]: His son his son is. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:24]: Oh, certainly. But my point is day. But I I believe he was hearing a lot of what are you gonna do Tiff [00:20:30]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:31]: Or are you gonna break out? Tiff [00:20:32]: Are you gonna break out? Reginald Ferguson [00:20:32]: Right. Are you gonna break out? Tiff [00:20:34]: This is Somebody's gotta say something. Somebody has to do something. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:37]: It is a big collabo. Tiff [00:20:39]: Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:39]: Big. Tiff [00:20:41]: And he is in the position, Impa. I think a great position to really do what I think he's always wanted to do with his life, and that is make change happen. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:53]: Yes. I agree. Tiff [00:20:54]: And I think this man can do it. I asked you, do you think change will happen? Do you think this is going to work? Reginald Ferguson [00:21:03]: I think it will, but it Tiff [00:21:04]: I think so too I do. To a certain degree, but I think there has to be, after him, someone else. I think it can't just be Dapper Dan stepping up. I think it has to be more people and bringing in The making them pay for it. Hit them in hit them where it hurts, and that's in the dollar bill. Don't buy the brand. That's I agree with that. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:29]: I'm all about civil disobedience. Tiff [00:21:31]: So And that's the best way to do it right there. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:34]: Yeah. Your money your money speaks. Tiff [00:21:36]: Exactly. So a very interesting, I think, segment of our show today, and I'm glad we touched base about it because it's important. It's important. I I I would I would hope that in before I die, I see significant change in this world where Empower. Humans are humans. And everybody is loved loved and respected for being human in the same way. And there's no prejudice. That's what I dream. Tiff [00:22:08]: I dream of that for our world. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:10]: And I think that's a great I think that's a great dream and sentiment to have. I wanna Add on to something. We had a previous episode. We talked about Macy's. I didn't mention this, but I think It's an interesting Lincoln angle. My mom took me to Macy's once, and she bumped into an old friend who I've actually seen since my mom passed. I wanted connect with him. I knew him by his his nickname. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:37]: The modeling we don't really talk about this, but the modeling world, Again, great prejudice. Tiff [00:22:43]: Yep. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:44]: Not too many people of color have entered that realm and had longevity. The individual I'm talking about was the 1st African American model to grace GQ. When I was a little kid, my mom took me to Macy's. She's buying me, I believe, Isad sweater, and she bumps into this guy. And I remember like it was yesterday, and they're talking and everything, blah blah blah blah. Decades later, I bump into this man near Carnegie Hall. I call him by his nickname, so he turns. He's looking at me. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:17]: I explained who I am. I explained about my mom. And I told he was like, how do you remember all that? Because to be honest, It was 40, you know, 40 years ago. So I was like it was important for my mom to introduce me to you because you were the first. And we don't have to this day, we don't have a wealth of African American or Latino fashion models. Tiff [00:23:47]: I'm seeing more and more every day, and it it's It's it's a chip away. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:52]: A chip away. A chip away. A chip away. Tiff [00:23:54]: It's not happening fast enough. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:55]: He they had an anniversary edition And GQ and forgot forgot to shout out this guy initially. It was amazing. It was sad. And this guy Is the Jackie Robinson of fashion modeling? So super cool. I have a photo I've never posted on Insta. Tiff [00:24:14]: Do you even say his name or what? Reginald Ferguson [00:24:15]: What? Well, I know him I know him as Tiff [00:24:19]: You are the king of dragging it on and leaving little bread crumbs. Come on. I Reginald Ferguson [00:24:23]: know him as Renny. Tiff [00:24:24]: And pop. Running. Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:25]: But his his real name is Reynold. Reynold. I I can't even think about his last name. I'm just drawing a blank because I just I Tiff [00:24:31]: think it's you can get on the Google And pop. I search him. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:34]: Yeah. And I have Tiff [00:24:35]: a photo. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:35]: Like I said, I Tiff [00:24:36]: have a picture. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:37]: I'm I'm going to. But it's just all about it's all about the access and the power Mhmm. And having it not look and reflect us. Let's hope for the change, Tiff. Tiff [00:24:48]: I am, every day. Every day. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:50]: Right on. Tiff [00:24:52]: Thanks, Reg, for your assistance in that segment. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:54]: My pleasure. Tiff [00:24:56]: Alright. So, we're moving on in the show. We're gonna do something a little different today, Reg. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:01]: You got, Tiff? Tiff [00:25:03]: Because, you know, fashion industry always you know, it's a it's an industry of change. And pop. Some good, some bad. Mostly good. We have to be a podcast of change. So we Impop. We we touched a little bit about it in our intro. You know? Let's make some changes. Tiff [00:25:20]: Let's talk about change. But let's change up our format a little bit. Gotta keep it fresh for us and our listeners. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:27]: Okay. Tiff [00:25:27]: So I'm bringing in a new segment today. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:29]: What do you have? Tiff [00:25:30]: So the new segment, so instead of fashion hero. And you're gonna be, like, very Reginald Ferguson [00:25:43]: excited. Painful. Tiff [00:25:44]: So the new segment is called accessorize to maximize. Oh. See? Reginald Ferguson [00:25:51]: A to the m. Tiff [00:25:52]: Do you like it? Yeah. It's cute. Isn't it? Yeah. It's cute. It it rings you know, it people will be saying it in their sleep. Accessorize is to maximize because it rhymes. Reginald Ferguson [00:26:01]: So break it down. What what is this? Tiff [00:26:02]: So, my tagline is accessorize to maximize your look or your gear, And pop. That is. And it's about we're gonna talk about accessories. So Alright. Reginald Ferguson [00:26:12]: I like accessories. Tiff [00:26:13]: So in everyday men's fashion, we're talking about, Mostly talking about suiting because that's that's what you're you're really good at, but you can do anything. Reginald Ferguson [00:26:21]: Yes. Tiff [00:26:22]: But men need a lot of help with their suiting in in a lot of ways. And you take a 3 piece suit and a 2 piece suit, and you've got, you know, jacket, slacks, and sometimes a vest. But That's not it. That's not all you have. You've got other things that that are called accessories that are going to basically, it's Impop. Like, I think I said this to you before. Suit is like a, a canvas upon which, you can Impa. Place accessories like adding paint to a canvas to create a painting. Tiff [00:26:55]: You could do the same thing with suiting. Right? Or Imposterous. Not even just suiting. You could do it with, jeans and a jacket. It's or yeah. Accessories bring your personality, your flair to what you're wearing. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:09]: Yes. Tiff [00:27:09]: It makes a statement Reginald Ferguson [00:27:10]: No doubt. Tiff [00:27:10]: To who you are. So let's talk about that. We've got several different kinds of accessories that we could talk about. And I want to, in this segment, deep dive into a different accessory each time. So our accessory that I'm bringing today, is my favorite accessory of all time simply because I don't know what I have a love affair with the pocket square. There I am rhyming again. What is up with that Reginald Ferguson [00:27:38]: Man, the flow. Tiff [00:27:40]: I know. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:27:41]: Killing the game. Tiff [00:27:42]: I don't know what it is about pocket squares, but when I see a purse In pop Person. Because, you know, women are rocking suits these days too. Let me just put that out there. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:50]: Yeah. They are. Tiff [00:27:51]: With pocket squares. I just I don't know. I'm like, In pop. To me, it go I'm a detail oriented person, and that's detail. That is detail that's often left out. In pop Mean, not everybody is wearing pocket squares, but I'm starting to see more and more each day. So, now that you know my love of pocket squares, which you have always known, And Let's talk about it. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:13]: Sure. Tiff [00:28:14]: What do you got? What is a pocket square? Reginald Ferguson [00:28:16]: It is a piece of cloth. I feel like this is a fashion word of the day, Tiff. Tiff [00:28:22]: No. That's what Reginald Ferguson [00:28:23]: I'm saying. Tiff [00:28:23]: So a pocket square is a handkerchief. Like, you know, basically, if you think about it, it's a piece of cloth, like a handkerchief. It does have its roots in the handkerchief. Everybody knows what a handkerchief is. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:35]: A hanky. Tiff [00:28:36]: And pop And it's, it's it's placed in the breast pocket of a jacket Yes. Of a blazer or a jacket or a suit coat. You know? It's Yes. Impop. You know, it's that breast pocket. It's an adornment. Yes. It's not a necessary item. Tiff [00:28:50]: It's not necessarily a practical item this day and age. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:53]: It can be. Tiff [00:28:54]: Yeah. It can be. But it's mostly worn as an adornment. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:57]: Sure. Tiff [00:28:58]: So, my love for pocket square is, Impa. Most of the time, I like practical things. This is totally impractical in this day and age. It really is. I mean, it doesn't necessarily have the the the it's rooted in something very practical. But in this day and age, it's it's it's like I said before, and it's a accessory. So let's talk about we talked about what physically what it is. So what's its origin and its history? Do you know? Do you have any idea? I do Reginald Ferguson [00:29:27]: I really don't, to be honest. Tiff [00:29:30]: Well, I did a lot of research on this because, you know, where did it come from? I mean, you know, you got so many pockets in a suit jacket, blazer, whatever. Why do you need that one? What's going on with that breast pocket? So, I got 3 different kinds of origin stories. One says it goes all the way back to the days in Egypt And pop. When the men would use a handkerchief, a piece of cloth, dyed red. It specifically stated that it was dyed red to wipe the dust off the brow when crossing the desert. Another one said King Louis the 16th was the first to, In pop. Used the pocket square. It was a handkerchief, that he used to he perfumed it to put over his nose, because it just Europe smelled back then, basically. Tiff [00:30:23]: And that's the way the royalty was able to get through the day of smells. Just a little perfume hanky that they've placed in their breast pocket or their, you know, at the turn of the century pocket. You know, the britches, the pants. In pop. The dungarees started having pockets, and they would put the handkerchiefs in there. So this is now how it, evolved from being something also another story I read is how the royal courts used the handkerchief, back in the turn the 1600, 17 that would during the the jousting in the nights, the days of the nights. The ladies would give their handkerchiefs as favors to the nights that they wanted to win, and the nights would wear it on their armor. So, the handkerchief was used, and then, you know, turn this it was used to blow your nose. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:09]: Sure. Tiff [00:31:10]: It was very functional coming into the 20th century, and they would put it in their breast pocket or their pants pocket. In pop. They stopped putting it in their pants pocket because that's normally where the coins were kept in the pants pocket. It was dirty, so you didn't want to blow your nose on a dirty hanky. So you started putting it in your breast pocket. And then it became fashionable and making it minimal, so they started making the handkerchiefs, the piece of cloth smaller. So it wasn't necessarily a hanky any anymore. It was a fashionable item called a pocket square. Tiff [00:31:46]: Now we're into the 1900 when this happened. And then it kinda sort of fell off because of, And pop. Business casual coming into play in the in the corporate world. You didn't have to dress up anymore in this day and age 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago. Right. But 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:05]: Right. But 20, 1 century. Tiff [00:32:06]: One thing that totally almost, put the nail in the coffin of the pocket square, Kleenex, the disposable. Yes. Because you didn't need a handkerchief anymore. And pop. Handkerchiefs were considered unsanitary. I remember my father used to always blow his nose in a handkerchief and stick it back in his pocket. And pop. That's disgusting. Tiff [00:32:28]: I'm like, how often is that thing washed? That was and thus was born the Kleenex. And pretty much the pocket square sort of, Impop. You know, there was no practical use for it anymore, and he didn't see it as much. I, in the past 5 years, have noticed it more and more, going to weddings or or or events that, you know, all of a sudden, I started seeing this thing hanging out of the breast pocket of of the suit jacket or a jacket jacket. And I'm like, oh, wow. My eye goes right to it. And it's not always the same. It's different. Tiff [00:33:00]: Impop. It's a statement depending on who's wearing it. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:33:03]: Sure. Tiff [00:33:04]: So that's when I was like, I gotta what is that? What is that? Impop. You know? Because I was also you know, I wasn't in the fashion game, but I was in the dressing game, the costuming game. So I'm like, what is that? And that's when I was like, oh, the pocket square. And it became something for me of a, you know, you it it it makes a difference and a man who uses a pocket square or leaves that part of the canvas blank. Right? Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:32]: I like your whole canvas Tiff [00:33:33]: It is. Why would you leave that blank? It's a can. It's a part of expressing yourself. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:40]: I agree. Tiff [00:33:41]: And pop. So that's why I wanted to deep dive into the pocket square and and talk about it for the everyday, man, because In pop. It is now back in fashion, and you see it more and more. One of the articles I read, attributed to the millennials. The millennials are bringing back the pocket square. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:57]: Really? Tiff [00:33:57]: Yep. That's what the article said. And, I believe it. You know, the whole hipster thing, they're taking they they bring what's old is new in the hipster culture. You know? They're they're wearing vintage clothing, they're dressing in a vintage style sometimes, and bringing it back, but then then bringing into the modern day with whatever accessories they they wanna add to it. So it's sort of interesting, the evolution of the pocket square. I love it. And, And so with that, okay, we have a pocket square. Tiff [00:34:32]: We have a pocket to put the pocket square in. Reginald Ferguson [00:34:34]: Yes. Tiff [00:34:34]: And pop There has to be rules. Right? Did you know that there are rules for wearing pocket square? Reginald Ferguson [00:34:39]: I did not know this, Tiffany. Tiff [00:34:41]: Well, before we move on to that, what are your thoughts with what I've What I've brought to the table so far. Reginald Ferguson [00:34:45]: Well, I I love this canvas analogy. I rock pocket squares. Tiff [00:34:51]: You do. And I think you were the 1st person I ever saw really regularly wearing that pocket square outside of a special event. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:02]: Oh, okay. Tiff [00:35:03]: Like, you just wore daily. Yeah. You completed your look. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:07]: Yeah. For me. Absolutely. I've liked them ever since I was growing up. I watched my grandpa use 1, and I think he was He was certainly the same era as your did you say your dad? I mean, that whole hanky thing. Tiff [00:35:23]: Yep. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:24]: I vaguely remember that as a kid, but Yeah. He rocked them, so I rocked them. And then as usual, I rocked them more. That's my problem. Tiff [00:35:35]: You have a very, very special one. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:38]: I do. Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, I had to go to my grandparents' old place because of my mom's passing, unfortunately. And going through stuff, there weren't many things left of my grandpa's, unfortunately, which really made me sad and crestfallen. But I was able to find at least one thing, and that was a set of hankies and pocket squares. And now I'm done, ladies and gentlemen. I'm never buying A pocket square again. I'm done. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:14]: Why? Because I have my own backups, and now I have his stuff. And most of it, I've been able to I got cleaned and everything. And recently, I've been rocking 2 of his. In one suit, I have a cotton pocket square, really cotton hanky, to really be honest. A cotton hanky with his initial w and some frilly stuff, some pattern stuff. So I've been rocking that, so I've been really proud of that. And lately, I have another hanky that has his name and script, And I put that in a sport jacket of mine. So his name is Walter. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:00]: My name is not Walter, And I couldn't be more proud to, to have it. Tiff [00:37:06]: I love it. I love it. And it it's a beautiful, beautiful pocket square hanky. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:12]: Thank you. Tiff [00:37:14]: It it looks like it's hand Reginald Ferguson [00:37:16]: Yeah. It looks like yeah. Old Tiff [00:37:18]: school. Yes? Reginald Ferguson [00:37:19]: Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Definitely way before I was ever thought of. Tiff [00:37:22]: Needle point. Right? I Reginald Ferguson [00:37:24]: believe it I I guess. I believe it was probably fifties, sixties. Tiff [00:37:29]: Wow. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:29]: Yeah. Yeah. Tiff [00:37:30]: Yeah. And it's cotton. Looks like Reginald Ferguson [00:37:31]: it's white cotton. Percent cotton. Yes. Tiff [00:37:33]: White cotton. Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:34]: And, yeah. I've, Yeah. Tiff [00:37:37]: And I love it that it says your grandfather's name, Walter. If you think it's a conversation starter for you. I guess. People can come up to you and go, Hi, Walter. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:45]: I know. Tiff [00:37:45]: Thinking they're all smart, knowing your name. Yeah. Not trying to Walter. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:48]: Yeah. I'm not trying to bait them. It's just it's just in reference, to my grandpa. Tiff [00:37:53]: Which is awesome. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:53]: Thank you. Thank you. Tiff [00:37:54]: I love it. I love it. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:55]: Thank you. Tiff [00:37:56]: And I, you have another one that I really, really, really like. It's the, the Egyptian one. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:01]: Yeah. Yeah. That gets a Tiff [00:38:03]: lot of, Cleopatra, is it? Or just Reginald Ferguson [00:38:05]: the Egyptian No. It's a forest. Big shout out to Kent Wang. So I know I shouted them once on the instant. I was like, this is my cultural pocket square. I'm sure they were like, but it is. So I love it. I love it. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:20]: Yeah. I I rocked that this past week, and and I went to an event, and the person serving wine made a made a comment. Tiff [00:38:30]: It's a every time I've been with you, Nud, it's a it is a showstopper because, you know, pocket squares, they're solid colors or they're patterns. This is, this is it looks like a painting. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:41]: Oh, it's it's a whole hieroglyphic piece. Tiff [00:38:43]: I mean, Reginald Ferguson [00:38:43]: that's my question. Yeah. Tiff [00:38:44]: It's very individual. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:45]: I I set it up Impossa that the horse I'm like that. Tiff [00:38:48]: It's peeking out above the top. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:49]: Yeah. It's very deliberate. Tiff [00:38:52]: It's absolutely a conversation starter. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:55]: Yeah. I guess. Tiff [00:38:55]: And in my research, I found there's many others that are are actual And pop. Pieces. It looks like pieces of art, painting. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:06]: Yes. I wanna I wanna amazing. I'm not trying, I'm not trying to be so blatant, but I really have to Shout out Kent Wang because they definitely you should look at their stuff I Tiff [00:39:15]: will. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:15]: Because it's it's significant. And I it's really striking, and I love that stuff. And if I wanted to, I could really buy a whole bunch from them, but I won't. I can't. I have enough. Tiff [00:39:27]: Okay. That's what you said. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:28]: Square. My pocket squares are pocket squares. Tiff [00:39:31]: From the way your wardrobe has a wardrobe from the way it sounds. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:34]: Yeah. It's true. Tiff [00:39:35]: So, getting back to the basic origin and history, and, one of the things I read as far as, In pop. What happened with the pocket square and and and probably one of the issues is it does In pop It draws attention to your outfit. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:52]: Hell, you Tiff [00:39:53]: You put a pocket square in that breast pocket. People are going people are gonna look at you, And, you know, a lot of guys' day and age anymore. The everyday man just gets dressed. You know? Okay. I'll just wear this. They they're not confident in their game. Right. So they don't wanna draw too much attention to what they're wearing because they're like, does it work? Does it match? This and that and the other thing. Tiff [00:40:13]: And so a pocket square basically goes, I know what I'm doing. This is a choice, and I put this together on purpose. Reginald Ferguson [00:40:21]: Sure. But they run a spectrum. So you could just lay in the cut Pocket square wise, or you can go kapow Tiff [00:40:29]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:40:29]: And everything in between. Tiff [00:40:30]: You absolutely can. What I, one of the things I said, You can you can you you can bring out your personality with a little bit of this flare, you know, from subtle and understated, meaning just a square edge, peeking up peeking above the the pocket to, bold and expressive. You can do the full full and I have the name for that, by the way. The full plume that comes out Sure. Called the puff. It's called the puff. It actually has a name. So let's move on to, to what I'm alluding to, and that is there are certain ways that you can fold your handkerchief. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:06]: Certainly. Tiff [00:41:06]: 2 pocket square to fit into the breast pocket. And there are certain rules that you should probably or I should say guidelines, really, when putting your pocket square in. And pop. So let's do the guidelines first. You wanna do that? Reginald Ferguson [00:41:19]: Sure. I I didn't realize there were rules and guidelines. Tiff [00:41:21]: Yeah. Well, first of all, I wanna mention this this amazing resource that I found online because and my husband just entered into the Pocket Square game. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:31]: Oh. And Tiff [00:41:32]: pop. I bought him Reginald Ferguson [00:41:33]: Your husband is not my client. No. Tiff [00:41:36]: I bought you know, that No. When I was shopping at Macy's and found my fashion fine, I went through the men's area and stumbled upon pocket squares. He has never owned a pocket square in his entire life. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:49]: What? Tiff [00:41:50]: Impop. I wanted to be the one to buy him his first Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:52]: I get it. Pocket square. I'll never forget your first. Tiff [00:41:55]: Yeah. Exactly. Okay. So I couldn't buy just 1. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:00]: Of course not. How many did you buy, Tiff? Tiff [00:42:03]: 4. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:04]: I was gonna say 5. Tiff [00:42:05]: Silk. Impa. All silk. I just wanted I was I just wanted to do silk. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:09]: Colors, patterns? Tiff [00:42:10]: I did 2 solids and 2 patterns. Okay. I had to do a solid white because that's your basic. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:16]: Nice. Tiff [00:42:16]: And I it wasn't it's a solid black, but it's a the fabric the silk is a pad. It's it's Probably a dupioni or a changon, so it has some texture to it. And then then then 2 patterns. 1 in a blue pattern and one a gray pattern. Okay. So we've got all of our basic colors covered. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:42:36]: Okay. Tiff [00:42:37]: And it's just solids and patterns. We didn't We can go and strap it, and it was very affordable. They were on sale. I had to. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:43]: Nice. Tiff [00:42:43]: It was one of those ridiculous sales. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:45]: They were calling you. Tiff [00:42:46]: I mean, it was telling I mean, basically, I stole them. And pop. I mean, if you wanna get down to it. I was like, really? I'm like, okay, honey. You're in the game now. We're gonna style you. So, And pop. The I gotta introduce you guys. Tiff [00:43:01]: You gotta go online. It's called the gentle manual. The gentle manual. So it combines gentleman and manual into one word, the gentle manual. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:10]: Okay. Tiff [00:43:11]: Handbook for the gentlemen and scoundrels. I love it. And pop and I search everything you need to know about pocket squares. So you have to go on it's a 4 pager, but that includes ads. That's why it's so long. And pop But it's got it's a very fun little manual, and it's all about pocket squares. Everything that you need to know. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:30]: Okay. Tiff [00:43:31]: So And pop. One of the things, that that they provide for you are are your rules or guidelines. And the number one thing is that your pocket square should not match your tie. And Impop. And I think we've talked about that. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:44]: Hell, yeah. No. No. No. No. Tiff [00:43:48]: I I would agree. You don't wanna be matchy too matchy. Can I tell you, I read in one of the comments that 1 guy almost blew his lid going, what do you mean he can't match? He he can't say that it can't match, and he just went off on, you know. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:59]: Yucky. Tiff [00:44:00]: Yeah. It's it's sort of yeah. It it Twack. To me, it's it shows laziness. You know? You need that's an opportunity to coordinate. Don't match. Coordinate. So that's, that's a rule or a guideline to you. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:13]: Sure. I would agree. Tiff [00:44:14]: And the other one is, if you're not wearing a tie, complement your other accessories with the color of your pocket square, or go from contrast. Just don't match. You know what I'm saying? If you're not wearing a tie, your pocket square doesn't have to match your shirt or you know, it just just compliment. And pop. You know, we get to get within the same color hue. Sure. Or, you know, this kinda sort of the area. The other one, which is definitely a rule, avoid the bulge. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:45]: What does that mean? Tiff [00:44:46]: Meaning your breast pocket needs to lay flat. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:49]: Oh, yeah. Tiff [00:44:50]: So you can't just, you know, bold. You can't you gotta be Careful that when you're putting your pocket square in, you don't have this big bulge coming out Right. Of your breasts. That's another reason why they size down from the regular 16 by 16 hanky to the smaller side. Pocket squares are smaller than hankies. Hankies used to be 16 by 16 square piece of cloth. And I didn't mean used to be handkerchiefs. Maybe they still are. Tiff [00:45:15]: Some are much bigger. But that was the standard back in the day. In pop. Now pocket squares are are smaller for the most part, and that is so that when you fold them or when you put them in your breast pocket, they don't create a tremendous bulge. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:27]: Gotcha. Tiff [00:45:28]: But if you're using a standard handkerchief and you're trying to do some sort of real extravagant puff, make sure you don't have the bulge. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:37]: No bulge. Tiff [00:45:40]: You can wear a pocket square everywhere. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:43]: I try. Tiff [00:45:44]: You don't have to wait for a special event. You put on a jacket, you put on a coat, put a pocket square in it. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:51]: Pocket square it. Tiff [00:45:52]: Pocket square it. And pop. Last thing. I thought this was pretty interesting. Your fold should match your mood first and the event you're attending 2nd. Oh. Isn't that interesting? Reginald Ferguson [00:46:06]: It is. Care to elaborate? Tiff [00:46:08]: Absolutely. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:08]: What do you got? Tiff [00:46:10]: And pop. I took that to mean that consider where you're going. Are you going to, you know, a fabulous outdoor indoor event that's a party, that's fun and exuberant, then wear and you're and you're feeling party fun. Wear something that's, you know, outgoing and exuberant and fun. If you're going to something quiet, something respectful, then, you know, stick with your classic. Your your your little square or your your point sticking out of the top. Just something quiet and, you know, because you're feeling respectful. That's what I took that to mean. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:42]: Well, Tiff, If I may, it kinda sounds like you're going with the 2nd point and not the first point. The first point is just go by your personality. Tiff [00:46:51]: And pop. Yes. I sorta did combine that, didn't I? Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:53]: You did. Tiff [00:46:54]: I did. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:55]: Maybe get a buzzer. Tiff [00:46:57]: We have 1. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:58]: Well, I'm just Impulse. You didn't abide by the rule. Tiff [00:47:00]: Right? I was breaking that first rule. Just broke down. So go by your personality, not by the Reginald Ferguson [00:47:05]: How are you feeling that day? Tiff [00:47:06]: Right. So if you're going to a funeral and And you don't wanna wear the classic, but you wanna wear, not yeah. You wouldn't wear a puff. But you could wear a winged puff. Do it. If you're feeling winged puff, wear the winged puff even though you're going to a funeral. Okay. I don't know how I feel about that is that that guideline, but it's out there. Tiff [00:47:25]: And pop. Do be creative. Do what you want. Reginald Ferguson [00:47:27]: Sure. Tiff [00:47:28]: So I'm throwing out these names. So I have a Reginald Ferguson [00:47:30]: Yeah. You you got a whole bunch. I'm like, man, I don't think I know any of these. Tiff [00:47:33]: So in the handbook For gentlemen and scoundrels. There's 10 ways to fold. Wow. Yeah. So see if you know any of these. The classic you already stated, And that is, I don't I couldn't print out the it literally comes with directions of which way to fold Oh, Reginald Ferguson [00:47:49]: that's slick. Tiff [00:47:49]: With illustrations Reginald Ferguson [00:47:51]: Nice. Tiff [00:47:51]: So that you can fold it, and then you slip it into your pocket, and it it, you know, appears. So I've seen you do the classic very, very often. Reginald Ferguson [00:47:58]: Okay. Tiff [00:47:59]: So you got that down, and that's just basically a Reginald Ferguson [00:48:01]: That's right. Tiff [00:48:01]: A fold, a fourfold, and you slide it in Yeah. With a just a sliver sticking out Reginald Ferguson [00:48:05]: Yeah. I like that. Tiff [00:48:06]: You've got the square, which is the presidential, which is similar to the classic, but it it it's it's a little different. You gotta go online and see it. Reginald Ferguson [00:48:14]: Okay. Tiff [00:48:15]: And then you have your points. You got your points. Reginald Ferguson [00:48:17]: I've never done the points. Tiff [00:48:18]: One point, 2 point, 3 point, four point. I mean, how many points can you have? Reginald Ferguson [00:48:25]: The points are slick, but I've never done it. Tiff [00:48:27]: Four points? Oh, it's a it's so interesting, but it's a very intricate but And pop. They've got line by line directions, and they also have illustrations. So check it out. Then you've got the puff, which is, you know, pinching it up in the center of the fabric. Reginald Ferguson [00:48:40]: I like the puff. Tiff [00:48:41]: And then drawing it through your forefinger and your thumb, and then, pulling down pulling down the edges and then tucking it in. Very cute. The winged puff, it's similar, but it comes with some folds, the crown, and the scallop. Reginald Ferguson [00:48:58]: Not familiar. Tiff [00:48:59]: Did you know that there were 10 ways to fold your pockets? Reginald Ferguson [00:49:02]: No. I did not. Tiff [00:49:04]: Look at that. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:49:05]: I know. Tiff [00:49:05]: This is why I like to do the accessory deep dive. And I know I I I have too much excitement for pocket square, but I just think it's an underutilized accessory in the menswear game of today. And I'm talking everyday menswear. Wear it everyday. If you got a jacket, wear it. Reginald Ferguson [00:49:28]: I think you broke us down, Tiff. Tiff [00:49:29]: I did. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:49:30]: I'm glad I've been abiding by some guidelines. Maybe not all the rules. Tiff [00:49:33]: You were an inspiration. But besides you, when we first when I first explored Dapper Dangan, when we were doing doing him for our episode and just the research, the pictures. The man can do a pocket square. Like, he no. And they're not the same. He knows how he probably had this is just 10 ways to fold. I'm sure he's got extra ways to fold. I mean, I'm sure of it. Tiff [00:50:02]: He's a genius. And he's, he's beautifully put together. So Between him and you, y'all were my inspirations. Reginald Ferguson [00:50:09]: Wow. Oh, thank you very much. Man, learned a lot here on this TIFF takeover. Tiff [00:50:13]: And let me point out that I've known you for how many years? Reginald Ferguson [00:50:16]: Poppers. Long time. I don't know. Tiff [00:50:18]: It's gotta be 13, at least. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:50:21]: It's been a while. Tiff [00:50:23]: And I think maybe the 2nd time I ever saw you, you had a pocket square. Reginald Ferguson [00:50:26]: Impa. Tiff [00:50:27]: I was like, who is that man, and what is that in his pocket? Reginald Ferguson [00:50:30]: Courtney. Marcus Courtney. Tiff [00:50:33]: And that is it for our new segment. Reginald Ferguson [00:50:35]: Very cool, Ginger. Tiff [00:50:37]: To maximize. Reginald Ferguson [00:50:38]: A to the m. Tiff [00:50:40]: And thanks, Reg. I appreciate you riding along. Reginald Ferguson [00:50:42]: Absolutely. It's been my pleasure. Tiff [00:50:44]: Alright. Shall we move to the final segment What do you of the episode? Reginald Ferguson [00:50:47]: Yeah. What do you got? Tiff [00:50:48]: Imposter. Yeah. Fashion Reginald Ferguson [00:50:51]: word of the day. Pop. Fashion word. Fashion word. A Tiff [00:50:58]: good day. Reginald Ferguson [00:50:58]: A good day. Tiff [00:51:02]: I got 1. You got 1? Reginald Ferguson [00:51:04]: Of course. Tiff [00:51:05]: Mine is really 2 words. Alright. And it's probably you know, I'm pretty sure you'll get it. You want me to go first, or you wanna Reginald Ferguson [00:51:11]: go first? Go first. Tiff [00:51:12]: Alright. So for those who are just joining us, the fashion word of the day is a segment where, both Reg and I bring a word to the table, Impa. A fashion word, that we, present to each other, and we ask each other to spell it, define it, and Reginald Ferguson [00:51:28]: Use it in the sentence. Tiff [00:51:31]: Reg really loves the sentence part. Don't don't don't let him fool you. You know he does. So, the fashion word of the day, Reg. Give me yours. Reginald Ferguson [00:51:40]: High waters. Tiff [00:51:41]: High waters. Reginald Ferguson [00:51:43]: Yep. Tiff [00:51:44]: And pop. That used to be an insult back in my, junior high days. High waters. High waters are it refers to the hem length. Impop. The hem length of a pair of dungarees, trousers, pants, and it's, ankle length Impop. Or above. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:01]: Yes. Tiff [00:52:01]: Some people want it even higher than the ankle. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:03]: Yes. Tiff [00:52:04]: And it's spelled h I g h Impop. W a t e r s. Yes. High waters. And my sentence is, I took my high waters for a spin while walking along the riverbank with my friend. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:20]: Oh my god. Oh, you got it. And Tiff [00:52:25]: pop. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:27]: What you got, Tiv? Tiff [00:52:28]: Alright, Reggie. Ready? Reginald Ferguson [00:52:29]: Sure. Tiff [00:52:30]: Mine's similarly easy. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:32]: Alright. Collar gap. Collar gap? Tiff [00:52:36]: Collar gap. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:38]: Collar gap? C o l l a r g a p. Tiff [00:52:43]: Impop. Correct. You spelled it right. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:45]: I have no idea what it means. Tiff [00:52:48]: Well, it's essentially exactly what it says. Collar gap. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:52]: Okay. It's a gap in your collar, but, I mean, that's I'm Tiff [00:52:54]: gonna read Reginald Ferguson [00:52:55]: fine stuff. Tiff [00:52:55]: I'm gonna read the definition. An undesired, undesired space between the shirt collar and the suit collar. So we talk about yeah. We talk Reginald Ferguson [00:53:05]: about Yeah. Tiff [00:53:05]: We talk a lot about Reginald Ferguson [00:53:07]: Gat me. Tiff [00:53:07]: Bespoke Tailoring, made to measure. And this is something that's that is that will tell you if a person a suit that they're wearing is bespoke tailored or any or made to measure. It's it's especially in the back, it's often referred to as the collar gap. Your suit collar should should hug your shirt collar. A collar gap is often a sign of other fitting issues other fitting issues. So make sure you close that gap. Tailors can fix the issue depending on the cause, but unless your jacket was very expensive, it's unlikely to be worth the cost. Take note of this when trying on suits in the fitting room. Tiff [00:53:48]: You're gonna make sure your Collar of your jacket lays against the collar of your shirt. Reginald Ferguson [00:53:54]: You got me. Tiff [00:53:56]: And pop. But it's notable. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:53:57]: Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I agree. Tiff [00:53:59]: Very important. Very important when we're talking about, you know, helping helping the everyday man look his very best. And pop. You see that, and it's like, boom. That's a perfectly tailored suit. Reginald Ferguson [00:54:10]: Yeah. It can happen. Tiff [00:54:11]: Alright now. Reginald Ferguson [00:54:12]: You did good, Tiff. Tiff [00:54:14]: Thanks, Reg. Reginald Ferguson [00:54:14]: You're welcome. Well, that's a wrap. Thank you so much for listening. We hope you had fun and are down for another one. Please tell your friends about us. Special shout goes to our producer, Serge. Everyone down with the NYFG. Tiff [00:54:26]: Thank you again for listening. If you're new, thank you for joining us. If you've been with us, thanks for hanging. Many more episodes. This is episode 20, so check out episode 0 through 19. If you're just joining us, they're fun. Thank you. And if you've got anything that you want to, want us to cover, please email us. Tiff [00:54:46]: Email us at at, podcast@nyfashiongeek.com, and we'll take it up. Reginald Ferguson [00:54:52]: Check us out on the Insta, New York Fashion Geek. DM us consultation. I can do that. Tiff [00:55:01]: Free. Reginald Ferguson [00:55:01]: Yep. Yep. Tiff [00:55:02]: Let's note that. The consultation is free. And Reginald Ferguson [00:55:05]: pop Oh, yeah. Tiff [00:55:06]: Oh, yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:55:07]: I'm Reg. Tiff [00:55:08]: And I'm Tiff. Reginald Ferguson [00:55:09]: See you next time. And remember, Tiff [00:55:11]: always be fly.