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Reg and Tiff pay an ode to Reg’s old camo messenger bag, half linings in suits, the need of wearing a undershirt in your life (crew or wife beater) and wearing opera pumps for black tie. This is a sophisticated episode.


Reginald Ferguson [00:00:01]: The fashion geeks are hosted and powered by Blueberry. Tiff [00:00:04]: That's Blueberry, b l u b r r y. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:07]: Thinking of launching a podcast? Want your episodes to be deployed smoothly? Go to, type in the word fashion, and get a deal on us. Tiff [00:00:15]: Just put in the word fashion. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:17]: Blueberry Always hostfly. Hello. I'm Reg. Tiff [00:00:22]: And I'm Tiff. And we're the fashion geeks. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:24]: Trying to make New York. Tiff [00:00:25]: And the world. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:26]: Well, New York is the world. Tiff [00:00:27]: A little flyer, 1 outfit Reginald Ferguson [00:00:29]: And podcast. Tiff [00:00:30]: At a time. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:35]: Oh, yeah. Another sunny day in the city. Tiff [00:00:37]: Isn't it nice? Yesterday I mean, especially Reginald Ferguson [00:00:42]: Oh, yes. Yes, it is. Tiff [00:00:43]: Especially after yesterday. It was Mhmm. Gray and dreary and rainy. I did not leave the house. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:50]: Oh my gosh. Tiff [00:00:51]: I was so depressed. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:52]: Well, I went out with my bumble chute. Tiff [00:00:55]: You're you're what? Reginald Ferguson [00:00:56]: That's an umbrella. I'm fashion geek number 1, clearly the leader of this fashion train, Reg Ferguson. To my side, someone who stayed in when it when it was raining. Tiff [00:01:06]: Yes. I'm fashion geek number 2, Tiffany Minett Till Shriver, And I stayed in because I can. My prior job Oh, snap. My prior job, I had to walk dogs in it come rain or shine. So, yes, I took advantage of my freedom. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:24]: Okay. Fine. So did you have your Wellingtons on when you went to walk your dog? Tiff [00:01:29]: Actually, I wore, shoot. I'm trying to think of this brand. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:33]: I got you again. Tiff [00:01:34]: Yeah. I can't remember. But I I Reginald Ferguson [00:01:36]: I No Bumblechute. No Wellington. I don't Tiff [00:01:38]: know what bumblechute is. Never heard of that in my entire life. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:41]: Ladies and gentlemen, a bumblechute is an umbrella. My late grandfather taught me that word. And if you live in the UK, you know that word. Tiff [00:01:49]: Oh, look at you being all across the pod on us. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:53]: My last name is Ferguson. So Reginald v. Ferguson. Tiff [00:01:57]: Reginald. Of course. It sounds very royal. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:00]: Well, it's an English name. Tiff [00:02:02]: Yes. It is. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:03]: That's what they slapped on me on the ship. Tiff [00:02:07]: Oh, bitch. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:08]: Well, hey. I mean, I'm just saying. Tiff [00:02:11]: Alright. How are you today? Reginald Ferguson [00:02:14]: I'm well. Oh, you know what? I'm so glad my producer search just gave me a knowing black nod. Wanna Wanna talk about something. Tiff [00:02:22]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:24]: So the point of this is not to blast. I wanna be very clear, because I'm gonna highlight this individual on the Insta. Doesn't mean he'll even listen to the podcast. But caustic Tiff [00:02:36]: him to listen to the podcast? Of course. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:37]: I want everyone to listen to the Alright. A caustic man on my Insta, big shout out, had a post today that I commented on. Tiff [00:02:46]: Oh, yes. That's I read that. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:48]: Yeah. Let's talk about that. So, essentially, this week, he's he's been shouting out and highlighting People with distinct dress and, you know, he's very well spoken. He had a post that reflected something from Style Forum in which they were talking about the the 5th year, the 5 year anniversary of the Obama beige suit. Tiff [00:03:14]: Now style Style Forum is an online magazine? Style Forum, Reginald Ferguson [00:03:19]: yeah. It's say, it's a community. Okay. They have a Tiff [00:03:22]: A forum. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:22]: Yes. Yeah. Tiff [00:03:23]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:23]: Yeah. It's a community. Tiff [00:03:25]: And The 5 the 5 year anniversary of the Obama Tan suits. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:29]: Yes. So we all know what we're talking about here, not just here in the broadcast booth, but everyone listening. And he has side by side comparison between Obama's tan suit and Ronald Reagan's tan suit. Tiff [00:03:44]: Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:45]: And, essentially, he was like, hey. Which is better? And I being who I am Tiff [00:03:50]: He and he let's go further in just saying that he goes now, You know, don't use politics as your race. Let's put race aside. Let's put politics aside and just say who wore it better. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:01]: Did he actually write that? Tiff [00:04:02]: Yeah. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:03]: Did he really? Tiff [00:04:04]: But then well, yeah. That's Reginald Ferguson [00:04:06]: not true. I don't no. I don't remember him. I don't remember that. But Tiff [00:04:10]: That doesn't make your comment any less Poignant. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:13]: Of course, it doesn't. My my my comment was to the point that the key difference I saw between the two is that 1 individual caught holy hell for wearing that suit. We all were there, y'all. It was ridiculous. Tiff [00:04:32]: It was strange. It Because it looked very good on him. And might I say, you have a similar tan suit. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:41]: Well, I have a beige. I have a beige suit. Tiff [00:04:42]: Oh, okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:43]: Yeah. Tiff [00:04:43]: The linen. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:44]: The linen. Yeah. The linen. The Irish one. Tiff [00:04:46]: So Which looks Stunning on you. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:49]: Thank you very much. I really appreciate that. But I wanna really stay to the point. This is all about race. And he demured. And that's his, you know, that's his prerogative. Tiff [00:05:00]: Did he respond to you? Reginald Ferguson [00:05:01]: Yeah. He did. He said we're not going there. Tiff [00:05:04]: Alright. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:05]: Because I was like, hey. You know, let's not forget this. And I'm really flattered that Eric Manby, from, from the magazine. Of course, I'm drawing a blank, the magazine, out in Sweden. Tiff [00:05:20]: PDUmo? Is that the magazine? Reginald Ferguson [00:05:22]: Plaza Omo. Plus. So Okay. That at least he bigged me up. And I know a few other people did too because I'm like, I'm sorry. Even for style phone to bring this up, You can't ignore the racial component here. I mean And caustic man is Mexican. Tiff [00:05:36]: It's the it's the elephant in the room. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:38]: I'm just like, come on. It's not you know, Choose whoever you wanna choose. But let's just not ignore the fact that when Reagan had it on, Reagan just had it on. When Obama put this on, we could all go to YouTube. Do a Google search. Look at what all the pundits had to say. I'm just saying it couldn't be ignored. You know, select who you wanna select. Tiff [00:06:17]: The question the the important question was that, you know, it's not about who wore the suit best Because the bigger question as he word for word said, the bigger question here is why did 1 person get catch holy hell for wearing it when the other Was was a blip on the radar. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:33]: Right. Well, that's what I said. Tiff [00:06:34]: Yeah. I know. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:35]: Oh, yes. Tiff [00:06:35]: I said word for word. Yeah. Well Reginald Ferguson [00:06:38]: So no. I I just Tiff [00:06:39]: And I was like, Yeah. What about that? Reginald Ferguson [00:06:44]: It it can't be Tiff [00:06:45]: Why did it happen? Reginald Ferguson [00:06:47]: It happened because there were a group of Individuals who look like you and don't look like Serge and I that decided that this was an issue, that all of a sudden, this had to do with his leadership And the lack thereof Tiff [00:06:59]: And it's because of Yeah. It's the most ridiculous thing in the world. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:05]: The greatest the the One of the more interesting things about fashion is that it reflects class, much less race. It just does. Yep. It just does. Tiff [00:07:17]: Through the ages, it always has. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:19]: It just Tiff [00:07:19]: does. Yep. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:20]: A suit came from what? From individuals riding horses. Tiff [00:07:24]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:25]: Okay. Those weren't farmers. Tiff [00:07:26]: Nope. Farmers wore dungarees. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:29]: So Things always have that type of reflection. And I just felt that, hey. You know, pick whoever you wanna pick. Pick the reasons why. Because if you read, you know, people were very Clear about Tiff [00:07:41]: I didn't read past I I read your comment, and then I didn't read. That's why I asked you, was there a response? Reginald Ferguson [00:07:46]: Yeah. No. There was. And and again, you know, he demeaned and it and it's his pro you know, it's his prerogative. But I'm just saying but why why can't we discuss that? Again, it's his post, so I'm not the point wasn't to, you know, to constantly go at him or something like that. I like the guy. You know, I have great respect for him. Tiff [00:08:04]: It did and it made me go, wow. Yeah, Reg. Good question. Good question. I'm just Reginald Ferguson [00:08:10]: saying, y'all. I'm I'm just I'm just saying. Tiff [00:08:12]: Well, you got a lot of people thinking, which is which that's what we want. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:18]: Well, that's important. Tiff [00:08:19]: It's very important For everybody who listens to this and everyone who doesn't listen to this, but they hear about it from somewhere else. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:26]: Let's just keep it real, y'all. And a wonderful segue, we're gonna switch it up a little bit. Why don't we continue talking about suits, Tiff? Tiff [00:08:33]: Okay. Let's talk about linen and cotton suits. You know why I picked that? Reginald Ferguson [00:08:40]: Because it's still hot as hell. Tiff [00:08:42]: Well, it's starting well, it cooled down a little bit this week. But yo, this has been a hot, hot July and 2, 3 weeks of August. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:51]: Hotter than July? Tiff [00:08:52]: Well, it's been hotter than it's ever been. And I I The reason why we're gonna talk about this is because I posed a question to you, about this. It's like, Why aren't you sweating in your suit? Aren't you, like, dying? And interestingly enough, we had a, an episode, couple episodes back where we talked about linings and half linings in suits. And so I guess the just I can't remember your response, but you're like, yeah. You just change up your fabric. So Reginald Ferguson [00:09:24]: Yeah. I mean, for me I mean, to directly answer your question, how do I do it? As I like to tease, I do it well. Tiff [00:09:32]: There it goes again. Reginald Ferguson [00:09:33]: So but getting right to it, past the past the cute joke. Today, I'm glad we're talking about this, because today, I saw not 1 but 2 gentlemen with their jackets in their hands, and I walked past them. And you know what I did when I walked past them, Tiff? Tiff [00:09:53]: What? Reginald Ferguson [00:09:53]: I muttered under my breath, punks. Listen. Tiff [00:09:58]: You're not allowed to carry your jacket in your hand? Reginald Ferguson [00:10:00]: Of course, you can. Purpose of the jacket is to have it on. Tiff [00:10:03]: Were their sleeves rolled up? No. Because it was hot? Reginald Ferguson [00:10:06]: No. They were not. Not rolling Tiff [00:10:08]: back. Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:10:09]: A lot of this for me has to do with Discipline, priority, and seniority. I grew up with my late grandfather who wore a work uniform. He was a mechanical engineer for oldest elevator company up in Yonkers. He wore a work suit. He wore dungarees. And they weren't dungarees the way we know him. It was like a Dickies type of deal or Sears Sears type of deal. That was his uniform. Reginald Ferguson [00:10:44]: And the reason why cold hands would have to Attempt to pry a jacket off my shoulders is because this is my uniform. This is how I get down. This is how I go to work every day, Monday through Friday at least. Tiff [00:10:59]: And might I just add, you're rocking a really nice suit right now. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:03]: Oh, thank you. Tiff [00:11:04]: Window pane, beautiful, with a striped shirt and A diagonally striped, tie. Oh, beautiful. Love it. Thank you. Well put together. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:14]: I appreciate that. Just stumb around the closet is what happened. So Tiff [00:11:20]: It's just so easy for you. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:22]: It is. It's some it's something I take granted. I take a lot of my stuff. Tiff [00:11:25]: You've been doing it all of your life. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:27]: Yes. Yeah. Virtually. Tiff [00:11:28]: And therefore, thus, you do not take your jacket off? No. No way. No matter how hot it is. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:34]: No way. Tiff [00:11:35]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:36]: One of the reasons is because even if I chose to, My shirt would be so splotchy. Like, why would I wanna have people see that? Tiff [00:11:47]: Splotchy how? Reginald Ferguson [00:11:49]: Well, if I'm sweating, my dress shirt is gonna be Tiff [00:11:52]: I gotcha. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:53]: It's gonna be a. Tiff [00:11:55]: Alright. So the jacket kinda hides Absolutely. The real thing that's going on underneath. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:59]: Absolutely. Tiff [00:12:00]: Now as far as fabrics go, you know, you got your cotton and your linen. I know you have this beautiful linen suit, Irish linen suit. Irish And it keeps its shape very nice. Reginald Ferguson [00:12:11]: Thank you. Tiff [00:12:12]: Which is always a challenge with those 2 fabrics, cotton And linen. You make suits out of those, you know, especially if they have half linings. And most of them do because they're made for the warmer months. Reginald Ferguson [00:12:24]: Yes. Tiff [00:12:25]: It it it's like the challenges. How do you this suit that you're wearing is is, Reginald Ferguson [00:12:30]: It's a wool silk sweater. Tiff [00:12:31]: It's a very fine gauge, wool and silk. It's beautiful. Reginald Ferguson [00:12:36]: Thank you. Tiff [00:12:37]: It's crisp. It's got a lovely sheen to it. And, It doesn't look like it's gonna hold on to any wrinkles, or I think or absorb any sweat. But cotton, yo, that's that absorbs, And and so does linen. So how do you how do you at Still Cooler, does it make a difference? Yeah. I guess the point I'm saying is, does it make a difference? Reginald Ferguson [00:12:58]: Everything makes a difference. So talking about linen and cotton. So when I was a kid, I remember having Linen pants and a linen jacket. My grandma always stressed not having a 100% linen Because I think to your point, she was always concerned about the body. Yeah. And also but also because it wrinkled so much, and she always wanted it to be cut with something else. Tiff [00:13:29]: Yeah. Linen will sag. It'll wrinkle. It doesn't really hold its shape very well. It's, it's great for the dresses I own because they're just sacks. I like to wear linen sacks in the summer because they're very cool. But, yeah. As a suit, it's a challenge. Reginald Ferguson [00:13:46]: You wanna wear you wanna wear wolves that are, You know, 100, 200 grams. Tiff [00:13:56]: Lightweight. Reginald Ferguson [00:13:57]: Lightweight. Tiff [00:13:58]: Super lightweight. And the wool fiber is there just to add strength To the silk, which is a very strong fiber, but it's very thin and fine. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:05]: But also let's be clear. I mean, wool breathes. So that's why I always am kinda testy when people talk to me about So they're in the comments when they see me out in the summer. Tiff [00:14:16]: It is a natural fabric. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:18]: Exactly. Tiff [00:14:18]: It is not like polyester that doesn't breathe or rayon On that dozen brands. So yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:23]: So that's that's half the battle. No. I'm not rocking a a 400 gram flannel. I would just melt into a puddle. So but it's funny that we're talking about linen and cotton because, I guess, 2, 3 years ago, I bought a linen suit, which you've talked about, and I bought a cotton suit. And to be honest, that was really the first time, I think, maybe in my adult life, that I was rocking those 2 fabrics exclusively for suits. Tiff [00:14:53]: I don't know if I've seen you in your cotton. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:54]: Yeah. The cotton one is fly. So I wore it last week. So and this, this wool silk linen, I mean, I wear this all year round. So My whole point is, I think, because of my late grandfather being blue collar, I like to think, And maybe it's romantic that I have a level of stoicism that reflects his era. Tiff [00:15:20]: Absolutely. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:21]: So I'm like, guys, suck it up. Wear the right fabric. Keep the jacket on. Don't complain. Be a man. Alright. However, about this No. No. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:34]: No. No. I'm not trying to talk out of both sides. I just realized I didn't answer you completely. So but the half linen thing, I have to half lining thing, pardon me, I find to be very interesting. Yeah. Because I didn't grow up that way. Tiff [00:15:47]: Well, we talked about that in the, I guess, 1 or 2 episodes prior to this. And, you had not ever heard of half lining. Actually, it was, I think it might have been a fashion word of the day that I challenged you with. So Reginald Ferguson [00:15:59]: I don't even recall that. But what you what you didn't mention to the audience, and I will, is that you challenged and tested me on that. And and I found out that including the linen suit. The linen, the cotton, and then this Italian wool joint. I have this cannoli joint I have. All of them have half linings. Tiff [00:16:16]: What about the seersucker? Reginald Ferguson [00:16:17]: Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. In the Sears. Tiff [00:16:18]: Yeah. The seersucker. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:20]: Duh. Oh, yeah. Seersucker. Right. So, Tiff [00:16:22]: I'm sorry. Because that's when it's hot, hot, hot outside. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:25]: Well, I told you. Seersucker's the one when it's 90. I won't generally wear it before then Tiff [00:16:31]: Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:32]: Because it leaves nothing to the imagination when that breeze comes through. So Tiff [00:16:39]: Hey. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:40]: But the half the half lining, it's so new to me. Now I have I have some fabric that I'm hoping 1 Taylor is going to spin it around and make a suit for me. And I know I showed it to 1 Taylor friend of mine. He immediately went half lining. But I've got this amazing Lining material. I'm going now. I'm going full bore. Going full bore. Reginald Ferguson [00:17:04]: I don't care. Tiff [00:17:05]: I have to say, I do love to see a a coat That, a jacket that opens up and the lining Reginald Ferguson [00:17:09]: Come on. Tiff [00:17:10]: Is like, what? David Reeves. He posts his linings online a lot on the Instagram, and they're Also clever. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:17:19]: That's a that's a conversation we have have to have for another day. We have to have a topic on linings because I definitely have strong opinions. Tiff [00:17:24]: I'd I'd you know? Let's do it. But moving on. Yes. So this was our little catch up, Cece. I something happened to you recently that, I think it was a very sad moment in your life Reginald Ferguson [00:17:37]: It was. Tiff [00:17:38]: That you wanna share with everyone? Reginald Ferguson [00:17:39]: Yes. Don't make it too dramatic. Tiff [00:17:41]: Okay. What happened, Reg? Reginald Ferguson [00:17:44]: Over 10 years ago, I picked up a camouflage messenger bag. What? Yep. It's part of some swag I got at a film festival Well, out in the Vineyard. I've always rocked some type of camo from high school on. Matter of fact, rocking camo when I was, like, in junior high, high school really was controversial in my family. Tiff [00:18:04]: I have never seen you wear camouflage. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:05]: I have camo. Tiff [00:18:06]: Alright. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:07]: Absolutely. And you've seen my bag. You haven't seen my messenger bag? Yeah. Tiff [00:18:10]: I've seen your back. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:11]: So well, that's Tiff [00:18:12]: what happened. Wear camo. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:13]: That's wearing camo. Okay. Tiff [00:18:15]: It's just Reginald Ferguson [00:18:15]: just in the bag for me. Tiff [00:18:16]: Oh, I thought you meant clothing. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:17]: No. I have Of course. That's what I'm saying. I've rocked some type of camel from high school on. Literally, the pants. And and thinking back, yeah, that kinda got me in some potential hot water, like, with my grandparents and particularly my late, uncle Archie, my favorite uncle. Tiff [00:18:33]: Were you in a rebellion stage? I don't know. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:36]: Maybe. I just it was like it was fly. It was something I wanted to do. Right. Tiff [00:18:41]: It's always fly. Camo is always fly. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:43]: I don't know if it always was, but, to me, it always was since childhood. And then I get a chance to to wear it, and they allowed me to wear it. I mean, that's the great thing about my Grandparents always had wide latitude, but I know it was, like, grumbled about in the house. Tiff [00:18:56]: Let you make your own mistakes. You'll pay for them later. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:59]: Let Me make my own choices. Tiff [00:19:02]: There you go. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:03]: So it was my uncle Archie who really gave, me a hard time about it. So because it was the Sandinista era. It's a long story. So but let me be clear. And he was from he lived in Florida, and they had a lot of military Hunted training down there. So that's where he was coming from. He was like, what the heck? Tiff [00:19:21]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:22]: Can't have you outside. We're going to the Piggly Wiggly. I'm like, uncle Archie used his pants. I was like, no. Tiff [00:19:29]: They symbolize Reginald Ferguson [00:19:30]: so much. No. They did. Again, that's what fashion does. Tiff [00:19:33]: Yep. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:34]: So let me be clear. When I caught this bag, it was before the latest camo fad was rolling in. Tiff [00:19:41]: K. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:41]: Because this fad comes in cycles. I love that bag immediately. I never had a camo bag before, and it was made by Manhattan Porter. Tiff [00:19:51]: I was gonna ask you who made it. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:52]: Yes. It was. So I was in heaven. New York bag. Outside zipper pocket in the front, divider inside the bag. It's perfect. Everything I needed. Pockets. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:02]: Lots of pockets. I didn't have no. I didn't have lots of pockets. Oh. I had pockets. Okay. So it was real durable, and you could fit in a lot of stuff, which, of course, I love. Rocked it bunch of days a week. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:18]: Ride or die. Overtime, wore out a little. Wore out a little. Repair here and there. Big shout out to my repair guy, my shoe guy, Mikhail. It was hanging in, But one day, my zipper opened unexpectedly. Tiff [00:20:34]: Oh, dear. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:37]: And I had gotten the zipper repaired. Oh. That was a big sign. Tiff [00:20:40]: Oh, wait. It broke. It you And, Reginald Ferguson [00:20:42]: like, all of a sudden, the teeth just went Tiff [00:20:44]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:45]: Yeah. And I was like, I have my keys in there. Tiff [00:20:48]: Yeah. That's a problem. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:50]: That is a problem. I had to put my keys in a different part of the bag, which I did not like. Tiff [00:20:56]: Because it's not where you put them. Therefore, when you go for them, they're not there. And you think you've lost them, but you can't find them because because they're not where they're supposed to be. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:02]: Well, that's definitely for you. I just didn't like it because I had it it had a this narrow niche for you to put not even your keys. I could put some mints. So it was just it wasn't a good look. So I started looking at the bag differently. Tiff [00:21:17]: You're gonna break up with this bag? Reginald Ferguson [00:21:18]: Well, I realized that over 10 years was a good run. Tiff [00:21:22]: You're so funny. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:24]: I started thinking about other bags. Oh. And then I started thinking about the Barry mission. Maybe, you know, just drop it off when it wasn't looking. Tiff [00:21:38]: So You're telling me not to make it dramatic. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:41]: I did some research, and I quickly found a Jack Spade joint. What? Yes. I did. One of our fashion heroes. Tiff [00:21:50]: Yeah. From time to a year ago, I think. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:53]: Yep. Beautiful, dope, and I'm sorry to say, Tiff, Better than my old one. Tiff [00:22:02]: More Pockets? Reginald Ferguson [00:22:03]: Yes. Tiff [00:22:04]: There you go. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:05]: And just just Better designs, better material. My old one was vinyl. My, this other one is cloth. It's Cotton. But you wanna hear something funny? Talking about Jack Spade, the shoulder strap of my navy Jack Spade messenger bag he's been fraying like a mofo almost from the beginning. Oh. Crazy. Like, in the middle. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:29]: Just like the width of it was, like, One section and the other other section was at the halfway point. Tiff [00:22:35]: Oh, dear. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:36]: And I've snipped it, and you know that doesn't work. You snip it and Tiff [00:22:38]: Yeah. Because it keeps spraying. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:40]: Right. Right. Tiff [00:22:40]: Because it's it's called a weave. Yeah. And that's what happens. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:44]: Right. Tiff [00:22:44]: You cut a part of the weave. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:45]: Right. So I took it to my shoe guy, Miguel, the navy one. Tiff [00:22:50]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:51]: He said he can replace my shoulder strap, and then he'd go to his warehouse to look for a strap. Tiff [00:22:57]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:57]: And then he asked me the strangest question. He asked me if I had a extra strap. Tiff [00:23:03]: Well, if you had a extra strap, you would've replaced it. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:05]: I understand. Tiff [00:23:06]: Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:23:09]: But I did have an extra strap. Tiff [00:23:10]: Okay. I'm confused. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:12]: I brought in my original camo bag. Yep. He cut it off. Put it on my navy. It's the circle of life. Tiff [00:23:27]: Yes. So it's kinda like an organ donation From one bag to another. Okay. So That was very dramatic, Reg. I was just Sorry about your bag. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:40]: Yeah. Me too. Tiff [00:23:42]: I'm so glad you have a new one that you like. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:44]: And the shoulder strap and the old one. Tiff [00:23:46]: And you still have a piece of your old one. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:49]: And it looks really Tiff [00:23:50]: nice. See, that's fashion sensible. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:52]: Oh, I'm always sensible. Tiff [00:23:54]: Very nice. Nicely done. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:56]: Thank you. Tiff [00:23:56]: Let's talk about, Fashion Sensible here. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:00]: Okay. Tiff [00:24:01]: Well, I wanna move into the next segment. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:03]: Okay. Tiff [00:24:04]: Which is Reginald Ferguson [00:24:05]: Well, we don't have a segment called fashion sensible. Tiff [00:24:07]: No. We the next segment is called fashion fools. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:10]: Oh, Fashion Food. Fashion Food. Fashion Food. Well, they're not they're not sensible. No. Tiff [00:24:23]: They're not Reginald Ferguson [00:24:23]: fashion fools. Tiff [00:24:24]: That's right. That's how we segueing into the fashion fools. Let's talk about Fashion Sensible and those who are not reg. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:32]: Yes. Tiff [00:24:32]: Fashion Sensible. I I, I wanted to, I presented you with a question A while back. And, and so I wanted to ask you. What foolish things are happening in fashion today, Reg? Reginald Ferguson [00:24:44]: Oh, yeah. It's actually a wonderful segue based on what we talked about earlier, Yeah. Undershirts and guys who don't wear them. Tiff [00:24:52]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:53]: Yes. Tiff [00:24:54]: So Why is this foolish? Because I'm a little confused. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:59]: Okay. What are you confused about? Tiff [00:25:00]: All right. So it's hot. Like we said, we talked about it. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:03]: Yes. Tiff [00:25:04]: And hot. Segue. And hot means, you know, you you wear less. To me, hot means I wear less. But you men with your suits and your your your jackets and your vests Send you ties, and and then you gotta put a undershirt under all of that? What what? I don't Okay. Okay. I don't understand that. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:22]: Yeah. Let me help you. Tiff [00:25:23]: Do you have to wear an undershirt? Reginald Ferguson [00:25:25]: Yes. Tiff [00:25:26]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:27]: And you're a fool if you don't. Tiff [00:25:28]: Alright. There's our fashion fool. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:30]: Ever since I was a baby, I have worn a undershirt. It made sense to my parents, my grandparents, my aunt, all the people who looked after me and babysat me. Tiff [00:25:41]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:41]: They clearly knew what they were doing, and that's why I wear 1 to this day. Tiff [00:25:46]: Undershirt. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:47]: Yes. Tiff [00:25:47]: I see it. It's right there. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:48]: That's right. Tiff [00:25:51]: And you suffer. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:52]: No. I don't suffer. No. I win. See, now some things have changed since then. Tiff [00:25:59]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:59]: My size. Tiff [00:26:01]: Well, yeah. You grew up a little bit. Reginald Ferguson [00:26:02]: Yes. My style, because now I mostly wear white wife beaters versus t shirts. Tiff [00:26:07]: Alright. And I want to talk about that too, why, you know, wife Peters versus T shirts. Reginald Ferguson [00:26:12]: Yeah. Sure. Tiff [00:26:12]: Okay. Keep going. Reginald Ferguson [00:26:14]: Still undershirts. But the philosophy behind wearing one has not changed. Human beings sweat. Tiff [00:26:22]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:26:22]: The purpose of the undershirt tiff is to prevent that sweat from getting on your shirt or your suit. It is indispensable. So why are there men who don't wear them? Tiff [00:26:36]: Okay. Because they're fools. Reginald Ferguson [00:26:39]: Alright. It's sexy with your dress shirt down 5 buttons without an undershirt? Tiff [00:26:43]: No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Tiff [00:26:44]: No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Tiff [00:26:45]: No. No. No. Reginald Ferguson [00:26:47]: Your dress shirt to be a funk rag. Salt comes out of your body when you sweat. I would prefer to have it on my undershirt than anything else. It's about being Sanitary. Tiff [00:27:03]: And sensible because then you can wear your shirt again without having to take it to the dry cleaners after every wear. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:10]: The whole point is The cotton undershirt is the 1st layer of defense Okay. Against sweat and stains. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? Tiff [00:27:26]: Well, because it's just an extra layer when it's hot. But it totally makes sense. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:30]: See, but that's that's Tiff [00:27:31]: And I I totally get protecting the suit because Reginald Ferguson [00:27:33]: It's such a perception. It would an extra layer an extra layer. Tiff [00:27:37]: And I get Reginald Ferguson [00:27:37]: it. We're wearing thinner Thinner suits. Right? That's what we're talking about. Right. From, you know, wools and linens and tops. We literally just talked about that. Tiff [00:27:44]: And you don't wanna see sweat stains, the underarm of a suit. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:48]: Sweat stains are so hard to get out. Tiff [00:27:51]: Yes. They are. Yes. That is true. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:53]: I would Tiff [00:27:54]: absolutely say that is true. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:55]: Yeah. Tiff [00:27:56]: From working with, you know, theater Reginald Ferguson [00:27:58]: It's worse than red wine. Tiff [00:28:00]: Yes. Come on now. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:02]: So why wouldn't you rock cotton, which is the first layer. It's a natural fiber. Tiff [00:28:08]: Makes sense. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:09]: It absorbs. It spreads. It it does the right thing. Tiff [00:28:14]: And that way, you don't like it well, like I said before, you don't have to take your shirts to the cleaners after every wear or your suits, Which can really wear down your shirt and your suit. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:23]: Great down. Tiff [00:28:23]: Can so it's, Reginald Ferguson [00:28:24]: great down. Tiff [00:28:25]: So the undershirt is there to protect Your investment in your nice shirts, your dress shirts, and your jackets. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:33]: Yes. Tiff [00:28:35]: Okay. So riddle me this. What to me, it seems the wife It's Reginald Ferguson [00:28:42]: hard to tell. Tiff [00:28:43]: The wife beater is going to give you less protection than the short sleeved undershirt. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:49]: Let's discuss this. Yes. This was this was discussed often in my grandparents' household. Tiff [00:28:56]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:58]: All the time. Because to be honest, I was mostly A t shirt guy, crewneck t shirt guy. But then I went to wife beater, and I probably went to wife beater utterly in candor, to to mimic my late grandfather, who's one of my heroes, so while he was alive. So so here's the point. They still serve the same purpose. There's no question. But absolutely, yes. With the a shirt or the wife beater, you have a deeper cut there at the chest versus the t shirt, which is a crew. Tiff [00:29:36]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:29:37]: No question about that. With the crew, obviously, it's a t shirt, so the underarms are covered. With the a shirt, it is not. But still and, really, this now is just about style and and how you feel and comfort. Tiff [00:29:53]: But the but the a shirt's not gonna absorb underarm sweat. So I guess a person who doesn't necessarily sweat that much under his underarms, But may more on his back, shall we say? He could get away with a a t shirt. Reginald Ferguson [00:30:05]: The the a shirt is still covered the a shirt is Still covering, AKA, the wife beater. It's still covering the body to your point, but, no, the underarms are exposed. There's no question. Right. And even the shoulders. Right? The shoulders are exposed. Tiff [00:30:20]: K. Reginald Ferguson [00:30:21]: There's no there's no question about that. So that's really more a difference between of style and taste. Gotcha. That's really what it that's really what it is. Tiff [00:30:29]: Well, what would would the, wife beater be more suitable for, let's say, a short sleeve dress shirt? I knew it. Reginald Ferguson [00:30:43]: What? Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna what? What? I have to stay focused, ladies and gentlemen. She's trying to throw me off. Tiff [00:30:52]: You don't like short sleeve dress shirts? Oh, your face right now. I love it. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:02]: To me, the the key the key differences and the key choices one can make between the crewneck undershirt and the a shirt undershirt is this. Because I I do this. So year round, I'm a shirt AKA wife beater. Ride or die. When the summer hits, There are certain suits that I know that there's a greater propensity for me to potentially stain. Those, I wear a crewneck undershirt. That's how that goes down. Tiff [00:31:37]: Are you strictly crewneck? No v neck? Reginald Ferguson [00:31:40]: No. I have some V necks. Tiff [00:31:41]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:41]: So but, you know, you understand the underlying principle. Tiff [00:31:44]: Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:45]: Underarm, shoulders Tiff [00:31:46]: Got it. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:47]: To the out. Right. So today, because I don't have a problem with this suit. Today, I have a a shirt on. I have a wife beater on. Tiff [00:31:55]: K. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:57]: Tomorrow. I know the suit I'm wearing. Tiff [00:32:01]: It's gonna be warmer tomorrow. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:03]: Regardless, tomorrow actually, perfect timing. Tomorrow, I'm wearing my seersucker, AKA my Friday suit. Tiff [00:32:10]: Oh, you definitely have to wear sleeves. Short sleeved. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:13]: I am wearing I am wearing I am wearing a crew neck undershirt. Tiff [00:32:15]: Alright. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:16]: No question. Tiff [00:32:16]: Now is there a difference between, you know, when to wear a crew neck and when to wear a V neck as far as your Reginald Ferguson [00:32:23]: I think it's still just more taste. You know? Tiff [00:32:26]: I mean, if you're gonna wear a shirt with no tie and your top 2 buttons are open, you definitely wear a V neck. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:32:32]: Yeah. The V is better. I mean You Tiff [00:32:34]: You don't wanna see a white crew neck T shirt under your opened dress shirt. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:38]: That was a Steeze just a few years ago. Yeah. So absolutely. So, I mean, that's really a matter of choice. I think guys still rock that. Tiff [00:32:45]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:46]: There's some guys who don't. My whole thing is I under listen. I'm so old school. That 2 three button, That's just not me. Tiff [00:32:54]: Because you wear a tie. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:56]: But let's say if I decided not to wear a tie one day, and that does happen. There's no photographic evidence. But So I can just do the 1 button, and that just that's just me. Like, the 2 or 3, This is just not me. Tiff [00:33:11]: So there's no faux pas in showing your white crewneck, neckline underneath the 1 or 2 unbuttoned Dress shirt. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:19]: Just debatable. Tiff [00:33:20]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:20]: Really, this is utter subjectivity. Okay. So Tiff [00:33:23]: I didn't know if there was any hard and fast rule on that. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:26]: I don't know. Tiff [00:33:28]: I don't know. It's just cycle. I I know the fashion you're talking about of the undershirt peeping out underneath a button up shirt. And, I mean, I get I yeah. If you're wearing, like, a black undershirt under a sleek kind of sort of striped black and white shirt, Then it's making a statement. But I I I feel like undershirt is underwear, and you don't want to see the underwear. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:50]: Yeah. But it's kind of worked that way. You know, it's just really to each his own. Tiff [00:33:54]: Okay. That answers the great mystery of the undershirt. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:59]: Gentlemen, put on a damn undershirt. Tiff [00:34:03]: And no no dress short sleeve shirts allowed? No. Never. In any instant I had to ask that question because my husband asked me. Reginald Ferguson [00:34:16]: As usual, he should be talking with me. Tiff [00:34:20]: Well, you know, he is my husband. So you Reginald Ferguson [00:34:22]: know? And he is not my client. Tiff [00:34:26]: Moving on to Reginald Ferguson [00:34:29]: I must have it. Tiff [00:34:41]: Yeah, baby. What do we have today? Reg is our I must have it item, which is let let me let everybody know this is the item that Reg feels that every Everyday Man must have. Reginald Ferguson [00:34:51]: Yes. Tiff [00:34:52]: So what is it? What is the I must have it item of the day? Reginald Ferguson [00:34:56]: A pair of opera pumps. Tiff [00:34:58]: A pair of opera pumps. Did I say that right? Reginald Ferguson [00:35:01]: Yes. Opera pumps. Tiff [00:35:03]: Opera pumps. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:04]: Yes. Tiff [00:35:05]: I, I've never heard of Opera Pumps. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:09]: Oh, you also never heard of a Bumblechute Nope. Or Wellington's? Tiff [00:35:12]: Wellington's I've heard of. I know Wellington's. Those are boots. They're rain boots. I just didn't own a pair. Never have. So now we're gonna be talking about another shoe called the Opera Pump. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:24]: Yes. Tiff [00:35:24]: So you know I had to Google this. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:27]: I'm sorry to hear that. Tiff [00:35:30]: Well, first, when you said opera pump, I go, wait. What? What? So many questions. Why would a man wanna wear Opera pumps. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:38]: Well Tiff [00:35:39]: And, of course, I think of, you know, heels. I think of, okay, well, back in the day in the restoration period, men wore heels. They wore pumps, boots. They weren't they they turned into boots. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:49]: It's not that type of punk. Tiff [00:35:50]: Yeah. It's not. No. Not at all. No. K. Do you only wear them to the opera? Reginald Ferguson [00:35:56]: No. Tiff [00:35:59]: Okay. Let me see if I have any stupid questions. I'll just take Reginald Ferguson [00:36:01]: a question. Stupid questions Okay. While you rack your brain for questions. Tiff [00:36:05]: Alright. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:05]: Here's the bottom line, Tiff. Tiff [00:36:06]: Okay. Give me a second. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:07]: Rocking a tux, for me, there's only one way to go. Tiff [00:36:11]: Oh, okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:11]: Patent leather opera pumps. It is the classiest way to fly. Tiff [00:36:18]: Opera Pumps being a loafer. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:22]: It's not a loafer. It's a shoe. Anyway, back in the day, I had a pair. Unfortunately, I grew out of them. The patent leather had no Tiff [00:36:32]: give. Yeah. No. Those are not comfortable. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:34]: Oh my god. Tiff [00:36:35]: Not comfort and they don't breathe either. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:37]: Oh, forgiving. Tiff [00:36:38]: No. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:38]: I had no idea. It was the only pair of patent leather shoes that I can recall ever having. Maybe I had some as a toddler. Tiff [00:36:44]: I had them I had a pair Couple of pairs in the eighties because that was all the rage. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:48]: Man. Stinky feet. The last time I wore them Tiff was at an alumni event. NYU Stern School of Business in the House. By the end of the night, I was hobbling. Tiff [00:36:58]: Really? Reginald Ferguson [00:36:59]: I could've taken off my shoes and walked in my socks if I could. Tiff [00:37:02]: So why are you saying everybody must have a pair of jeans? Reginald Ferguson [00:37:05]: Because my feet still hadn't finished growing. That's what I'm saying. The last time I had Tiff [00:37:12]: a beer. Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:13]: Yeah. Woo wee. I was in trouble. You know what I did the next day? Tiff [00:37:19]: Soaked your feet? Reginald Ferguson [00:37:20]: No. I gave them to the Bowery Missionary. Tiff [00:37:23]: Even back then? Reginald Ferguson [00:37:24]: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Oh my gosh. I think the excuse of doing a high gloss shine on your regular black shoes with your tux is just that, an excuse. The tux is a distinct outfit. And your accessories, and you know you are high on accessories. Tiff [00:37:40]: Yep. Accessories are important. They make the man. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:43]: Right. So they should equally be distinct. Tiff [00:37:46]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:46]: And that's what the opera pump does. It stands out, but not ostentatiously, Classically. The curves. This you know, it slips on. Tiff [00:37:58]: So it is a slip on? Reginald Ferguson [00:37:59]: Yes. Tiff [00:37:59]: No laces. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:00]: Yeah. The bow. Tiff [00:38:02]: There's a bow. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:03]: Yeah. Cross green ribbon. For me, this is nothing like it, and that's why I have to cop another pair. Alright. I'm not sure what brand, but I've got my eyes open. Men need to get a pair too. Be distinct. Be fly. Tiff [00:38:24]: Well, I have to say, I have Never in my life, and I've been to a couple of black tie events have I ever seen, opera pumps, men wearing something like this With a bow on it. That's that's something very, Reginald Ferguson [00:38:37]: Beautiful. Tiff [00:38:39]: It's very different. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:40]: I I Striking. Tiff [00:38:41]: It is. I can imagine. I mean yeah. So So renting my husband's rented a tux, and you rent the shoes. Oh, no. Yeah. We don't own 1. Yeah. Tiff [00:38:50]: Why? Because we it was a long time ago. He was He didn't have need to own a tux, so he rented 1 for a wedding. And then you you rent the shoes, and it's the high gloss shoes. Ew. And it does make a beautiful statement. It's, You know, everything is all bright and shiny and night. Alright. We'll talk about renting renting suits at another time. Tiff [00:39:10]: But, you know, I looked up this picture of this opera pump, and it looks so turn of the century. And I'm not talking about turn of this recent century. I'm talking turn of the century A 120 years ago, turn of the century. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:25]: Wow. Okay. Tiff [00:39:27]: Alright. Well, Reg, I can tell you. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:30]: Classic. Tiff [00:39:30]: Classic. Okay. Got it. I can tell you where you can find. You can, Reginald Ferguson [00:39:36]: At the shoe store. Tiff [00:39:38]: Yes. Brooks Brothers makes them. Yes. Shipton and Hennage in the UK. Not familiar. And Edward Green Reginald Ferguson [00:39:46]: Oh, Edward Green. Tiff [00:39:48]: In the UK. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:49]: I spied some Edward Greens recently. Tiff [00:39:52]: And the typical Quality makers price ranges are low, $265, mid, $398, and high, you can Spend as much as $580 on your opera pumps. Reginald Ferguson [00:40:05]: You can spend probably over a g if you get the Tom Ford version. Tiff [00:40:09]: Oh, Tom Ford. This is an old article, I guess. Reginald Ferguson [00:40:14]: This is going for, like, 1200, I think. Tiff [00:40:16]: Well, I'm looking at Reginald Ferguson [00:40:16]: this bag of shells. Tiff [00:40:18]: I'm looking at this, opera pump style guy, which I found, and it it's 1 it's got, like, a little little linear chart that goes across, and it and it tells you what outfits To wear with your opera pump. And it's kind of like only 1. Yeah. It's kinda tongue in cheek. It says beach or pool, weekend errors, Brunch or a barbecue, and it just keeps going. Date night, business dinner, formal wedding, Job interview, business professional, tuxedo. There you go. So there you have it. Tiff [00:40:53]: Everyone rush rush out and get your opera pump today. Reginald Ferguson [00:40:56]: Absolutely. Tiff [00:40:58]: Alright. That was refreshing. I love it when you surprise me. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:01]: I try. Tiff [00:41:02]: And, I can't wait to see you in in your own pair. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:05]: Yeah. I need a new pair, desperately. Tiff [00:41:07]: Yeah. Well, it's been a while, apparently. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:09]: Yes. It has. I haven't gone to any black tie events in my defense because if I did, my behind would have some opera pumps. Tiff [00:41:16]: Alright. Now you wouldn't rent them either. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:18]: And then hell no. Tiff [00:41:19]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:20]: And a new tux. It's about that time. Tiff [00:41:21]: Oh, alright. Alright. So let's move on to our final Segment of the day. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:29]: Fashion word of the day. Fashion Word of the Day of the Day. Tiff [00:41:43]: And I think, I think, the last time we did this, you beat me. So I've come back for revenge. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:50]: Alright. Let's see what you got. You'll probably succeed. Tiff [00:41:53]: Alright. You ready? Reginald Ferguson [00:41:54]: Sure. Well, first of all, would you like to explain what fashion word of the day is? Tiff [00:41:57]: Oh, yes. Okay. Well, you don't Reginald Ferguson [00:41:59]: You sell hell you sell hell bent on revenge. Tiff [00:42:01]: So this is when we both bring a word, Fashion term, and challenge each other with the spelling of it, the definition of it, and the use of a sentence if, the spelling and the definition are correct. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:12]: Yes. Tiff [00:42:13]: So Reginald Ferguson [00:42:14]: Oh, boy. Tiff [00:42:15]: Let's move on to let's see. What do I have? Reginald Ferguson [00:42:20]: You should have one word. Tiff [00:42:21]: I got one word. Okay. What do you got? Bessum Pockets. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:26]: Bessum? Tiff [00:42:27]: Bessum Pockets. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:31]: Okay. Tiff? Tiff [00:42:33]: Yeah? Reginald Ferguson [00:42:33]: I'm gonna I'm gonna let you slide here. Oh, you oh. First of all, the spelling is b e s Tell them. Correct. I believe you need to say. Tiff [00:42:42]: Wow. Besom. Besom. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:44]: Besom. Besom. Tiff [00:42:45]: Tomato. Tomato. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:47]: Piece on Pocket. Essentially, it is a pocket that is not patch, and it's not a flap. Essentially, you cut right here, zip, and there's your pocket. Tiff [00:43:02]: It's a Slit Pocket. Slit. Very good. Very good, Reg. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:07]: That's right. Give me a bell. Alright. Tiff [00:43:11]: And, let me just when the welting appears on both the top and bottom of the slit, the pocket is called a double besom, Bessome. Tomato. Tomato. Bessome. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:23]: Bessome. Tiff [00:43:23]: Well done, Reg. I thought I was gonna get you on that one. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:26]: At all. And you even Been asked me for the third thing, so I'll just do it. Tiff [00:43:29]: No. Show it to me in a sentence. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:31]: My, my college buddy, Rich Madore, Introduce Me TO B's Own Pockets because his dad was a tailor. Tiff [00:43:38]: Oh, nice. That's a good sentence, and that's a good trivial fact. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:42]: It's true. Tiff [00:43:43]: Very nice. True. Alright. Let's see if I can redeem myself. So silly. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:55]: Jacquard. Tiff [00:43:56]: Jacquard or jacquard, As, some Americans would say. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:01]: In the south. Tiff [00:44:04]: It is a French term. It is, originally a French term, but, Yes. In America, a lot of people say jacquard. It is a print and a fabric. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:13]: Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. How about a little spelling here, missus? Tiff [00:44:15]: Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Jacquard, j a q u a r d. Back. J a c q u a r d. Fine. Forgot the c. Sorry. Tiff [00:44:28]: Does that count? Does that did I get that? Can I get that? Reginald Ferguson [00:44:30]: Yes. Tiff [00:44:31]: Okay. I got it. Count. Alright. It is a design. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:35]: Don't do a buzz and a bell, though. Tiff [00:44:37]: It's a it's a pattern design that's, In inherent in the fabric, woven into the fabric. Most of the time, it's florals, but it could be pretty much anything. And there's, you could Some parts of the the the weave is raised, while other parts are are depressed. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:56]: There you go. Tiff [00:44:57]: Boom. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:59]: You wanna you wanna, grace us with a sentence? Tiff [00:45:02]: In my day as a costumer, I loved creating flowing, Ebullient dresses from Jaccard Print Silk. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:13]: Oh, god. You're so fancy. Tiff [00:45:14]: Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:17]: Well, that's a wrap. Thank you so much for listening. We hope you had fun and are down for another one. Tiff [00:45:22]: Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:23]: Please tell your friends about us. Special shout goes to our producer search. Tiff [00:45:26]: As always, the most fabulous search. And if you have any, questions for us or thoughts or, or or, You know, trivial words that you would like us to throw at each other. Please email us at Reginald Ferguson [00:45:47]: Tiff [00:45:51]: And that's also a good place to you know, if you wanna discuss anything with Reg or if you would like to book a consultation, which happens to be Free. Your 1st initial consultation with Reg is free. 3.99. 3.99. Make sure that, you email him or DM him on Instagram. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:09]: New York Fashion Geek. Tiff [00:46:11]: And, definitely check us out on New York Fashion Geek. Reg posts little snippets from each of our prior episodes every week, So you can catch 1 that you might have missed. There is a link there, so make sure you click through that. Catch up on us if you're just joining us. And if you've been with us for the whole ride, thanks again. We really appreciate your company. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:31]: Absolutely. I'm Reg. Tiff [00:46:33]: And I'm Tiff. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:34]: See you next time. And remember Tiff [00:46:36]: Always be fly.

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