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The Fashion Geek Podcast

45 | It Makes Me Feel Silly Hoping For Something Different

Reg and Tiff talk about social justice and fashion (shoutout to Pyer Moss), retail bankruptcies (J. Crew and Brooks Brothers) and how bespoke suiting is fairing during Covid. Fight the power and give a listen.

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00:00 Introduction and Sponsor Message
00:17 Meet the Hosts: Reg and Tiff
00:34 New York City Vibes and Personal Updates
03:33 Tech Troubles and Solutions
07:50 Fashion and Social Justice
13:50 Pyer Moss and Social Impact
23:14 Retailers and Changing America
26:36 Fashion and Society: A Provocative Opinion
27:47 The Evolution of American Style: J.Crew, Brooks Brothers, and Polo Ralph Lauren
29:59 Financial Distress in Retail: The Impact of COVID-19 31:00 Social Injustice and Fashion: A Complex Relationship 31:20 Protest Fashion: Revolutionary Clothing
40:41 The Future of Menswear: Tailoring and Business Adaptations
52:14 Century 21: A Beacon of Hope in Retail
55:22 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Tiff [00:00:59]: Fashion geek number 2, Tiffany Mattel Shriver here in the Internet flesh. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:06]: There you go. Yeah. I was like, you need to get cute there, Tiff? Come on now. Tiff [00:01:10]: Yeah. It's so hard without the visual cues that we're used to working with. It's kinda, you know, you know, it's Tiff [00:01:17]: it's amazing. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:18]: In the dark? Tiff [00:01:20]: I do have my lights on, but Reginald Ferguson [00:01:23]: We don't have a lot of we don't have a lot of lights on because we're one of those buildings that's half occupied. So Tiff [00:01:29]: Oh, so what does that mean? You gotta keep the lights on? Reginald Ferguson [00:01:33]: No. No. No. No. No. My my lights are on in my home office. I'm just I I when I look out, I look out to the rest of the building because I face the courtyard, which, actually, you know that, too. Tiff [00:01:47]: -Yes. -So -Okay, I get what you're saying. Half the lights are out because half the people are gone. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:52]: -Yeah, actually, more than half. So there's really no there's really there's really no lighting. It's pretty dumb. Tiff [00:02:01]: Hopefully, they're out dining out on the sidewalks, giving money back to your neighborhood and communities instead of flying the coop Tiff [00:02:09]: altogether. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:10]: They have decamped. Tiff [00:02:12]: God, that's so sad. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:15]: It is what it is. Tiff [00:02:18]: True that. Hopefully, from the ashes, we'll rise the phoenix. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:23]: Oh, okay. Wow. We're going mythology. Yeah. Sure. Why not? Tiff [00:02:27]: I keep thinking about that, and I keep writing it in in several different episodes, and, and now I finally got to say it. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:33]: You did. Yeah. I kinda stepped over here. Sorry about that. Tiff [00:02:36]: That. It's okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:39]: Tiff, I hear some, I hear some some ice clicking in the, Tiff [00:02:45]: You what? The producer said he couldn't hear any any of the ambient sounds. So Reginald Ferguson [00:02:51]: Oh, I heard that very well. Tiff [00:02:53]: Oh, I'm having a little buffalo trace on the rocks right now because it is that time of night. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:59]: I'm not familiar with that drink. Tiff [00:03:02]: Buffalo Trace is a bourbon. A very smooth bourbon. Very nice. You should try it. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:10]: I'll stick I'll stick to my water right here. Thank you. Tiff [00:03:13]: Oh, okay. You're not a bourbon drinker? Reginald Ferguson [00:03:15]: Not when I'm recording. Tiff [00:03:17]: Oh, should I stop? Reginald Ferguson [00:03:18]: No. No. No. No. No. No. It fuels your fire, Tiff. You're all good. Tiff [00:03:23]: Dude, you don't want me to get me lit up too much. You know? Reginald Ferguson [00:03:26]: Well, let's hope, that you have self control. Tiff [00:03:30]: I do. I do. I'm you sound great. Is this the computer that you were complaining about and Ah. Asking, complaining about Dell? Reginald Ferguson [00:03:40]: No. Tiff [00:03:41]: What happened? This is Reginald Ferguson [00:03:42]: my this is my trusty old desktop, which Tiff [00:03:45]: Is not Reginald Ferguson [00:03:45]: a Dell? Recording from no. It is a Dell. Tiff [00:03:48]: Oh, okay. Good. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:50]: Well, no. This is the desktop. Last week, we talked about the laptop, which I figured that's what you're inquiring about. Yes. Well, I sent it to them, the gang that couldn't shoot straight. And I sent a very heated and loaded tweet to Michael Dell. Tiff [00:04:10]: Oh, shit. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:11]: He did not respond, Punk. However, I attached his tech support team, and they d m'd me almost immediately. But the bottom line is they sent me a mailer, not priority overnight, like a 3 dayer. And that came to me late because I should have received that last week. But I received it, I believe, on Tuesday of this week. And once I received it, I did what I had to do. Checked off the box. They have a checklist to their credit. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:53]: Did everything. Put it in the box. And fortunately, I literally live across the street from a FedEx mailer setup, a kiosk. Tiff [00:05:01]: You live in a really, really prom place. I mean, everything is, you got a lot you got everything you need right there. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:08]: Pretty much. However, as we all know, every Saturday, I walk to the grocery store. Yes. We have grocery stores, but not as good as Stop and Shop. Tiff [00:05:16]: Right. You have a Reginald Ferguson [00:05:18]: Yes. We have a wealth of services. You're absolutely correct. You don't have to leave the neighborhood unless you choose to. Tiff [00:05:23]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:23]: I choose to. So the good news is I think they received it in Houston, Texas, priority overnight. Oh. So because I received an email, I believe, or a DM. I can't remember which part of me, guys. And it read, we have it, and we're working on it. So my hope Tiff [00:05:44]: is that it's good they did it overnight that way because it's got your laptop. It's, you know, worth a lot more money. There's there's equipment in there. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:52]: I just feel they should've sent out the mailbox overnight as well. I'm a depositor at JPMorgan Chase. If you need a debit card, boom, you get the next day. Tiff [00:06:04]: Yeah. TD Bank does the same thing. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:05]: So come on, guys. Tiff [00:06:06]: Come on, Dell. Come on, Dell. Express overnight. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:10]: Right. Amex, same thing. Mediate. So fingers crossed, ladies and gentlemen. I'm really curious to see what they diagnose. I hope it wasn't just my imagination, for close to a year. I really do think something's wrong with it. We'll find out. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:26]: Fingers crossed. Tiff [00:06:28]: I hope it wasn't anything contagious because, you know, you and I send stuff back and forth. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:34]: No. Okay. I'm feeling good about that. Tiff [00:06:38]: Alright. Good. I got good diagnostics on my Dell too. So Reginald Ferguson [00:06:45]: Oh, well, very nice. Well, Dell, take that. Take that. Hate you guys. Always have the customer service, your tech support. Tiff [00:06:55]: I cannot agree with you there. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:57]: I know I know we dissent. Let's move on. Tiff [00:07:00]: Okay. This I'm on my 3rd laptop, by the way. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:04]: This is the All Tiff [00:07:04]: of my laptops are less Reginald Ferguson [00:07:06]: 8 years. Ever owned on my own, meaning a purchase because I work for companies and it was given to me. Let's just say this, Dell. I have an iPad Pro and it works far better than that laptop. So step up. Tiff [00:07:22]: Damn. How much equipment do you have? How much do you need? You got 2 laptops, a desktop. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:27]: I don't have 2 laptops. I don't I have no laptops. I had one laptop. Tiff [00:07:31]: Oh oh, Oh, I guess the iPad isn't it's it's not a it's a tablet. It's a tablet. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. You are definitely connected. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:42]: Yeah. Absolutely. It's 21st century. Tiff [00:07:45]: That it is, even though, I'm okay not really living up to the 21st century, these days. So what's news besides the Dale? Reginald Ferguson [00:07:58]: Well, Tiff [00:07:59]: little social injustice again, maybe? Reginald Ferguson [00:08:02]: I mean, again? There there there always is. Tiff [00:08:05]: Again and again and again and again and again. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:08]: Sure. Sure. And it's Tiff [00:08:10]: never feel silly hoping for something different. You still have Reginald Ferguson [00:08:14]: No. You shouldn't feel silly, but you should feel like I think a lot of people do, which is frustrating. Tiff [00:08:20]: Yes. Frustrated is, is the mild version of what I feel, actually. So Reginald Ferguson [00:08:29]: I was very upset earlier today. It doesn't mean that I won't be doing the podcast, but it's funny how sometimes while we talk about fashion, the issues of society seem to creep right in. So let's keep it moving. Tiff [00:08:42]: Alright. Well, because as you said in several podcasts ago, several episodes ago, they go hand in hand. Society, social issues, fashion, Tiff [00:08:53]: it sort Tiff [00:08:53]: of all kind of feeds each other. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:55]: Yes. Yeah. They're they're completely intertwined. Tiff [00:08:58]: And I was like, okay, I get it. I don't get it really, but okay, I get it. And I have to say that I am getting it now. I'm finally getting it. You you, you're sending me some good reading stuff, Reg. Reginald Ferguson [00:09:13]: You're giving me Tiff [00:09:14]: some good stuff to read here. Reginald Ferguson [00:09:16]: I try. Tiff [00:09:17]: And, and, you know, a light bulb went off, you know, that, you know, there is a place for fashion in social justice. Reginald Ferguson [00:09:26]: Absolutely. Tiff [00:09:27]: And I I, at first, was like, well, who's gonna buy that? Silly me. Reginald Ferguson [00:09:33]: That could be silly, Beth. Tiff [00:09:35]: Silly me. Everybody's gonna buy it because it speaks for everybody. This this new, fashion of social justice, garments, I guess. I I don't know. I'm not being very eloquent right now. And it's not because of the bourbon because it's my very first one, so I Reginald Ferguson [00:09:57]: know you know rookie too. Tiff [00:09:58]: Yeah. It's, it's emotions, you know. They just get me I get in my emotions and I'm it's hard to be eloquent. It's very strange. Reginald Ferguson [00:10:10]: You can be you can be as emotional as you need to be and still be eloquent. So I wanna I wanna interject on something. No no shopping audience is a monolith. So not everyone is going to purchase an item towards a social cause. They're just not. And that's that's fine. But I think there's great I think it's really important that we can find individuals that are willing to make a purchase for the sake of a social cause. Tiff [00:10:53]: And I think there are a lot of those out there now. I think I think it I think the number is up in the 80%, 85%, 90% on both sides of the argument, unfortunately. But I think most Americans, let's just talk about America here, because I I really can't speak on global, but I'm seeing it more and more. You know, I'm out and about walking, doing my walk around the park and everything, and I see, you know, the garments. I see people wearing things that speak about things that are going on right now, and, they either speak on my side of it, of of things or on someone else's side of things, you know. Sure. Things I don't necessarily agree with, but everybody has a voice. We're America, and that's what it's about. Tiff [00:11:44]: And, it's interesting to see that. I think I see engagement unlike any I've seen before in this political landscape as far as, speaking through fashion. Then, in my 53 years of well, you know, in my several decades of understanding free speech and and community and things like that. Does that make any sense what I just said? Reginald Ferguson [00:12:16]: Sure. Sure. It's a polarizing time, unquestionably. Tiff [00:12:20]: I'm speaking in vagaries here, but let me be clear. Breonna Taylor's injustice became clear yesterday. Today? Was it yesterday? Yesterday. Reginald Ferguson [00:12:33]: Yesterday. Tiff [00:12:34]: And, meaning no justice. She got no justice. None. 0. Her she her life she her life is gone, and nobody is being held accountable. Nobody. And it just does not make any sense to me. And it angers me, and it angers others, and there must be change, And any way we can get there I think at all costs So I'll be one of those people that are going to be buying t shirts, buying shirts. Tiff [00:13:13]: I think it's, you know, there's new stuff coming out now. Trying to make a change here, Reg. Trying to make a change. Reginald Ferguson [00:13:20]: I'm all I'm all for the symbolism. There's no question about that. Whether it's you or anyone else, I'd be even more I'd be even more satisfied if I knew that led to political action. Tiff [00:13:39]: Right. It well, listen. I think so I'm thinking of this article that you sent. I'm gonna skip around from our plans just a little bit, but the article that you sent about Pierre Moss launching a new, platform? Reginald Ferguson [00:13:56]: Yeah. Let's, let's talk about that. Let's yeah. Well, yeah. And then I'll probably count it with a few other articles are pertaining to him because Kirby Jean Ramon, who is the creator of Pierre Moss, he has a lot going on. So start, Tiff, and I'll probably finish. Tiff [00:14:19]: Alright. Well, he's it is a I guess what was a little thing on Instagram that you sent me? He's basically launching, a new, he says a new platform, but I'm like, is that line or a platform? No. A Reginald Ferguson [00:14:32]: platform. Tiff [00:14:33]: Okay. And it feature it's basically bringing back the, was it Sean Puffy Combs voting, like, the call to vote action? The call to action to vote. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:45]: Vote it or die. Tiff [00:14:46]: Vote or die. Right. So first of all, I think that's interesting that those 2 collaborated. I'd like to know how that happened. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:57]: Probably a phone call. Tiff [00:14:58]: Yeah. Probably as easy as that. I would just I would just Tiff [00:15:02]: I I don't know. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:02]: Is in New York? Tiff [00:15:04]: I wanna know the conversation. Tiff [00:15:05]: Problem. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:15:06]: In circles. Tiff [00:15:07]: But how come Puffy didn't put it out himself? That's what I wanna know. Doesn't he have his own line of clothing? How come he didn't reissue it? Okay. That's one Tiff [00:15:15]: of my questions. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:15]: Hold on. Well, I can answer that. First of all, it's a collab. Tiff [00:15:20]: Okay. So there we go. It's a collaboration. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:22]: It's a collabo between Pierre Moss and Sean John. Tiff [00:15:26]: Sean John. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:26]: So Yes. Kirby Jean Ramon, P. Diddy. So Tiff [00:15:32]: So what it is? Reginald Ferguson [00:15:33]: So that so that answers one of the answers one of your questions. Tiff [00:15:36]: That's what would the other one? Reginald Ferguson [00:15:38]: Well, you you were, like, well, why did you said, why didn't you do it? Tiff [00:15:42]: Oh, yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:43]: They are doing it. Tiff [00:15:44]: Right. Because it's a collaboration. That answers all my questions. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:46]: It's a it's a collabo. Tiff [00:15:47]: Right. Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:48]: But there's a there's a change in the call to action. So back in the day when Puffy launched that campaign, if you remember, it was a big thing. He had a billboard in Times Square. Tiff [00:16:05]: Yep. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:06]: His his office or his building, as I call it, the build, the building that Puffy built, the BMG building, right there also in Times Square, right around the corner. And if you recall, he ran the marathon that year. Tiff [00:16:27]: The vote Tiff [00:16:28]: the last Tiff [00:16:28]: initial election? Or was it No. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:30]: I can't remember the year. I don't think it was 16. I think it was, Tiff [00:16:33]: The prior election? Reginald Ferguson [00:16:35]: I can't remember the year, Tiffany. Tiff [00:16:37]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:38]: I don't think it was 2016. I think it was quite a while ago. Tiff [00:16:41]: I'll find out. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:42]: So I'm sorry? Tiff [00:16:44]: I said, I'll find out. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:45]: Okay. Sure. So so it was vote or die. Pierre Moss, vote or die for real. Tiff [00:16:55]: For real. Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:59]: Little different. Tiff [00:17:00]: Go ahead, honey. Reginald Ferguson [00:17:02]: So you talking to me or talking to Pierre? Tiff [00:17:05]: I'm talking to you. Reginald Ferguson [00:17:08]: So we we've talked about Pierre Ramon's. We've talked about Kirby, Gerald Ramon before previous podcasts. And he seems to have always been clear that whatever he's doing affects people that look like me and look like him. And he's always been aware acutely of the social involvement through fashion. So Exist to Resist, where you play on words, like you said, is a platform. And I'm I'm I mean, I'm getting goosebumps. I'm so impressed because, essentially, ladies and gentlemen, this platform, the proceeds go to social justice organizations. So in in the case of this t shirt, everything is going to rock the vote. Tiff [00:18:10]: Right. A 100%. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:11]: If you're a sir if you're of a certain age, rock the vote rock the vote rock the vote is very familiar. Tiff [00:18:19]: Very MTV. You remember that? Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:21]: Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. That's Tiff [00:18:23]: Back in the day when MTV actually showed music videos. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:26]: Yes. Exactly. So but Pierre Moss, again, I'm I'm just interchanging. Kirby j Kirby Jean Ramon, he's taken it a step farther, So the t shirts got released on his website, because he does a lot of d to c. It got released on the on the website on Tuesday. This podcast is being recorded. It's a Thursday at 12 noon. And when you go to the site, you also have the ability to register to vote. Tiff [00:19:00]: Oh. Tiff [00:19:01]: Yes. I almost said a bad word. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:05]: I think you said one earlier. So That's Tiff [00:19:07]: awesome. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:09]: It is. Tiff [00:19:10]: I love that. Tiff [00:19:11]: I love that. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:11]: It's very MTV like of you. So Tiff [00:19:14]: I wish every huge retailer, every commercial any anybody with a website, I wish everyone would put a register to vote button. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:27]: Well, he's he's not the largest, But, socially, he is he is the most significant. Tiff [00:19:33]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:34]: I really I really applaud this man because he's he's walking the talk. Now now, relatedly, he has something else going on. I don't know if you're familiar. And that platform is called your friends in New York. Tiff [00:19:54]: Oh, no. I didn't see that. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:56]: And he recently announced he's doing now this is big. Not that that wasn't big, but the name I'm about to drop is big. He's doing a collabo with Karen. And Who? I always pronounce it Karen, k e r I n g. The big European fashion concern. Tiff [00:20:18]: Oh, okay. So familiar. Sorry. Thank you for spelling it, because I'm sure some of our audience members aren't familiar either. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:26]: They already did something under this moniker at the beginning of the pandemic. Oh, really, Pierre Moss, Kirby dude. So he, he was responsible for distributing PPE to hospital workers and he was offering grants for small businesses. Tiff [00:20:48]: Wow. He probably did a much better job than the government did. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:51]: Well, he's more nimble. Tiff [00:20:54]: That's true. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:54]: So this is phase 2 of your friends in New York. And it's a 4 plank, platform. They're gonna produce live events. They're going to have a new talent incubator. They're gonna have a, philanthropy arm. And ultimately, because of this fashion, they're gonna be doing merch. So he, right now, is the embodiment of of fashion making a statement. Tiff [00:21:29]: Yes. He Reginald Ferguson [00:21:31]: And you remember, we we we we we talked about him Tiff [00:21:34]: The poster child of that. He seems to be setting the example for everyone. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:39]: Sure. Tiff [00:21:42]: Nice. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:44]: Yeah. I agree. Tiff [00:21:47]: I interrupted you. What were you saying? Reginald Ferguson [00:21:49]: No. Only thing I was going to mention is we actually talked about we we've talked about it really twice, podcast wise. So we talked about them a long time ago, but we talked to talked about it more recently pertaining to the whole thing with, CFDA. Tiff [00:22:03]: CFDA. Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:05]: Yep. So big shout out. Making it happen? Tiff [00:22:09]: Love it. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:10]: Get a t shirt. Get a t shirt, y'all. Tiff [00:22:12]: I am gonna get one. Are you kidding? Reginald Ferguson [00:22:14]: Start. And if you're not registered to vote I I don't mean you, Tiff. I mean our audience. Tiff [00:22:18]: But I'm gonna get one. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:19]: Okay. I'm glad that you're gonna get one. When you get one, take a photo. Tiff [00:22:23]: Okay. You're not gonna get one? Reginald Ferguson [00:22:26]: Not necessarily, but Tiff [00:22:30]: Doesn't go with that jacket you're wearing right now? I'm gonna I'm gonna do it, get it, and I'm going to, like, cut it all up like I used to do with my t shirts when I had my old job at brother Jimmy's Barbecue in New York. God bless them. They raised me. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:54]: Sounds like a plan. Tiff [00:22:55]: Yes. I'm gonna make it my own. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:57]: Sounds good. So you said you wanted to bounce around. So what else did you wanna talk about? Tiff [00:23:02]: Well, it's interesting, this ties in the whole fashion and social justice. I think ties into what's happening, in the fashion world right now as far as these big retailers that are closing that you and I have been talking about. And this is this is this is my thought. I read a I read an opinion piece and I was like, there might be a point here. And, that opinion piece was about, yeah, all of these stores are closing, like J Crew, Men's Warehouse, Lord and Taylor, Neiman Marcus, all filing for bankruptcy, and then Century 21, who we talked about Reginald Ferguson [00:23:46]: Yeah. Tiff [00:23:46]: Last week. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:48]: And some but but let's be clear, Tiff. Some are closing, some are just filing chapter 11. Tiff [00:23:54]: Right. Bankrupt filing bankruptcy means you close though. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:23:58]: No. Not necessarily. Tiff [00:24:00]: Okay. You bankruptcy is just bankruptcy, Or announced they were doing. Yes. And and basically, what the article that I read, and I'll tell you what it is. Hold on. Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. It's, from Businesses Insider and it's called Brooks Brothers J. Crew Black Lives Matter White America Uprising. Tiff [00:24:33]: That's part of the that's part of the address. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:36]: That's a that's a lot. Tiff [00:24:38]: I know. Let me click on it, and I'll give you the title of the piece. But anyway, it talks about these stores that are closing, these stores that are bankrupting right now. We're also we're having problems before COVID 19, that it's not, you know, we what you and I have talked about and you and some of your guests have talked about, prior to tonight, what you know, what how is the COVID 19, the pandemic, this pandemic affecting, retailers? And how is it creating this kind of this falling of giants in the, in the fashion clothing world. And this article posits that it's not just, a problem with finances or a problem with, having to close due to the pandemic because, you know, have no customers. This article talks about it might be, also attributed to the fact that these brands just don't rec they don't rec they don't, geez, I can't think of the word, represent. They don't represent the changing America that is today. And I was like, what? That's interesting. Tiff [00:25:54]: And one of the quotes is part of the reason traditional retailers such as Brooks Brothers and J. Crew have both gone bankrupt this year has to do with what they symbolize, an America that's fading away. Interesting, isn't it? Reginald Ferguson [00:26:11]: You think about Tiff [00:26:11]: the America that's fading away, and you're like, okay, what are they talking about? The the tailored suits, the polos, the, you know, the fitted shirts and the, you know, the ties. It's symbolic of an of an upper class that many believe to be causing so much modern day oppression. That's another direct quote from the article. And I thought to myself, that's an interesting statement. And I cannot say that I that I don't I don't believe this, because I I really do think that I mean, you look around today, you see what most people are wearing, you see what's happening with the other pandemic, and it's kind of like there's a huge shift going on, and it is connected to fashion as well as society. Now, am I making any sense to you? Do you follow what I'm saying? Reginald Ferguson [00:27:14]: I follow what you're saying, but I absolutely disagree. Tiff [00:27:17]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:17]: I think I think I think the title is very provocative. Tiff [00:27:22]: Well, it is. It's an opinion piece. So it's gonna Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:25]: It's an opposite. Tiff [00:27:26]: Sway you. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:26]: And there are titles to their opinion, and so are you. I'm gonna give you mine. So we can go blow by blow if we want to, particularly, specifically in the men's space. I don't really wanna talk about, the women's space. Not that I'm incapable. But Tiff [00:27:41]: Right. But we're men's Reginald Ferguson [00:27:42]: So We're a podcast. Right. We're a men's we're a men's we're a men's wear podcast. So J Crew. Tiff [00:27:49]: Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:52]: J Crew to me I mean, I'll I'll tie them in. J Crew and Brooks Brothers are similar, and they're also dissimilar. So let me explain. Do they both represent an American style? Yes. But depending how you look at it, that American style, one could argue, and caustic man and I talked about this, was very democratic. Particularly back in the day. So a look was a look regardless of your financial status. So Tiff [00:28:32]: And that let me point out that you said back in the day. Go on. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:36]: Back in the day and even and even now. I mean, why don't why don't we throw in why don't we throw in another name that is solvent and a name that our producer reveres. Let's talk about Polo Ralph Lauren. Also embodying also embodying a certain fashion statement in American history. Tiff [00:28:57]: Absolutely. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:58]: And we've talked about him repeatedly on the pod. So but here here's my here's my point. African Americans also rock those brands. So Polo, enough said. J Crew, look at the models. Brooks, Brooks because they have such a longevity. You can combine those 2 other brands and I'm not even sure if you touch the number of decades Brooks has been in existence. Tiff [00:29:36]: Since 1800. 18 late 1800, I think. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:29:40]: I can't remember when they started, to be honest. But my but my point is, no. Because of because of their style, what they embody, no. That has nothing to do with them being in financial distress. They're in financial distress for a variety of reasons. One, because what we're finding out, and it's not specific to retail, men's retail, but a lot of these businesses, they were stretched out, and we didn't know it. Right? Tiff [00:30:19]: Okay. Is that a fact, or are you just supposing that? Reginald Ferguson [00:30:22]: No. I'm not I'm not supposing. I'm not supposing. I mean, look at Brooks. Brooks filed chapter 11. They're gonna close a bunch of their stores. They're not gonna close all their stores. So what does that mean? There were retail that had too many stores. Reginald Ferguson [00:30:37]: So Tiff [00:30:39]: That Reginald Ferguson [00:30:39]: so so now so now so now they're I'm I'm sorry? Tiff [00:30:44]: I said because COVID forced the closing of some of those stores. They couldn't retail in their brick and mortar, so they yeah. That that cost needs to be cut. Reginald Ferguson [00:30:55]: Right. But what does what does that have to do what does that have to do with race? Nothing. Tiff [00:31:03]: Well, social I'm talking about social injustice, and that comes in different many different colors. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:08]: Which has nothing to do this has nothing to do with social justice. This has nothing to do with social justice or social injustice. This has to do with business. Tiff [00:31:16]: Well, the Reginald Ferguson [00:31:16]: article Retail has too many stores. Tiff [00:31:18]: Right. I got that. But what I'm talking about with within the article, the argument it gives is that you look at what people are wearing in the the protesters who are protesting all of this social injustice, protesting the politics, and they're not wearing Brooks Brothers, and they're not wearing any of these high end Ralph Lauren even. They're wearing revolutionary things, things that say, you know, something about who they are and the cause that they're fighting for. And that's what this article was about, is that people the shift of buying is is going away from, you know, clothing of status, shall we call it, for anybody and everyone who can afford it or want it. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:04]: Well, I was just about to say, the shift of buying, Tiffany, there is no buying. Tiff [00:32:08]: The American Reginald Ferguson [00:32:10]: consumer No, no there's not. What's that? No, there's not. The American consumer is holding tight to their dollars. Tiff [00:32:17]: -The money is holding tight. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:17]: -Stretching and stretching out dollars and asking for relief. Tiff [00:32:21]: -But didn't we just talk about Pierre Moss creating a Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:25]: We talked about Pierre Moss and the team can Tiff [00:32:27]: buy this kind of clothing? This revolutionary kind of clothing? Reginald Ferguson [00:32:32]: Well, hold on now. Hold on. Revolutionary type of clothing? Hold on, Tiffany. Revolutionary type of clothing? Tiff [00:32:38]: I think Reginald Ferguson [00:32:39]: you have to pump the brakes there a little bit. So first of all Tiff [00:32:42]: I'm I'm being Pierre Moss's t shirt Reginald Ferguson [00:32:44]: Pierre Moss's t shirt, you can check. It's not a $10 t shirt. Tiff [00:32:49]: I can imagine it's not. It's Pierre Moss. I know. Alright. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:53]: Alright. So so so so I think this role has to be slowed. Tiff [00:32:57]: But I know that every dollar I spend on that t shirt is going to go to a community who is helping to make a change in society, in what's happening now, and what's happening in the future, and I will pay money for that. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:12]: That's fine, Tiffany, but that has nothing to do in my mind with what protesters are wearing. And, you know, I'm all down I'm I'm always down for a protest. Tiff [00:33:21]: Well, that's what the article was talking about. The article was basically, let me talk a little bit more about this article before we move forward. Just get the audience caught up with what you and I already know. So the article was basically comparing what's happening to today to the French Revolution and what happened in France during the time of the fresh French Revolution. Basically, when all of the, the regular lower class commoners just basically kicked out the aristocrats and and really changed France, the country of France, in a major big way. They just took over the country. I think there's, Les Mis is about that. Les Miserables, the the big musical is about the French Revolution, and it's and they were the the article talks about how those with less, created their own style, because those that had everything were wearing the breeches and the powdered wigs and the big gowns and all that. Tiff [00:34:23]: Whereas, the the commoners, started wearing these certain pairs of pants. These, you know, casual they were called culottes. We we know culottes today to be kind of sort of short wide leg capris, kind of things like that. But they created their own style, and and it was a movement against the injustice of the aristocracy against the commoners. And the article was equivocating what happened to what's happening today, what might be happening today. Like I said, it was an opinion piece that I found to be interesting and thought provoking and gave me a little hope to think that maybe that is what's happening. Maybe we will create a huge shift through this clothing, this difference in clothing between us and them. Maybe. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:21]: Yeah. Again, I still disagree. I mean, particularly talking about France. First of all, the the play is from the book by Victor Hugo. So Tiff [00:35:31]: Yes. But the book was about the French revolution. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:33]: No. I understand that. And the movement you're talking about is Sans Culart. So Tiff [00:35:38]: Son Culak. Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:39]: Yeah. Son Culak. So I I'm I'm it's a false equivalence to be to be to be honest, in in my mind. Because you said something earlier that I'd like to talk about a little bit more, if I may. None of the protesters and, again, this is a hasty generalization. None of the protesting protesters are wearing, to your point, crooks. Tiff [00:36:11]: Okay? Unless they're protesting for the other side. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:15]: No. I mean No. I mean, I don't think they are. I don't think they are either. I think I think these cuts you're making, they're very broad. These are very broad strokes. Tiff [00:36:25]: And Well, Reginald Ferguson [00:36:26]: it was it Tiff [00:36:26]: was an article that that had me think sort of outside the box. It really did. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:31]: That's that's fine. But I I have to challenge the piece and I have to challenge the thinking. Thinking. So, individuals that are going out for protesting, they're wearing gear that is is to be battle tested. You're rocking jeans, you're rocking sneakers, you're rocking t shirts, you're rocking a mask, you're rocking a bandana, you're rocking a cap, you're rocking goggles, So sneak I probably mentioned sneakers Tiff [00:37:05]: And masks. Boots. Tiff [00:37:06]: Did you say masks? Reginald Ferguson [00:37:08]: Yes. I did say masks. Okay. Tiff [00:37:09]: You said masks. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:10]: So so the but the point is that's that's rough and ready gear. So probably a lot of them are wearing Levi's. So what does that seem to? So this whole year I think Tiff [00:37:24]: that's a both. Levi's? You're talking about Reginald Ferguson [00:37:27]: I'm talking about jeans. Tiff [00:37:28]: Gen X. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:28]: I'm talking about jeans, Tiffany. Tiff [00:37:31]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:31]: That's all that's all I'm talking about. Tiff [00:37:32]: You were saying the brand Levi's. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:35]: Well, yeah. If I'm saying jeans, I specified Levi's. Obviously, there's a gazillion other brands for denim. Tiff [00:37:41]: Right. And we're talking about Gen and they're all about other other kind of denim. I just wanna pick that up. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:46]: The it could be Levi's, and it could be a host of other brands. The the point is this is these businesses declaring chapter 11, this is not the end of the Roman Empire. It's it's just not. Tiff [00:38:02]: I think some businesses are have been hurt by cause cancellation, meaning that, you know, we're not gonna shop there anymore because they made this garment that is racially insensitive, or we're not gonna shop there anymore because they threw a big, fundraising party for the other side. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:23]: But these aren't those brands. The brands you cited aren't those examples. Tiff [00:38:28]: Well, no. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:29]: They're not. Tiff [00:38:30]: But there are other thing other store, I mean, I can't list them all. I can find a list, I'm sure, of all the stores that have either, filed chapter 11 or chapter 13, and we could probably research each of those stores and find that a good number of them at some point or another have been targeted by, what folks are calling the cancel culture, which actually really hurts the bottom line. I mean, it does make a difference. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:58]: Tiffany, you're very specific about 2 brands, J. Crew and Brooks. So Tiff [00:39:05]: And, you know, I said These these aren't these Reginald Ferguson [00:39:07]: aren't those these aren't those examples. I said I said Tiff [00:39:10]: Taylor, I said, Nordstrom, Reginald Ferguson [00:39:12]: and But I said I said, can we stay with men? And you said, yes, because we are a menswear podcast. -Yes. -Last I checked. Tiff [00:39:19]: -So I'm clear on I'm clear now what you were saying, yes, very clear. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:23]: So, no, I mean, the polo shirt is an American staple. Tiff [00:39:30]: And it's not going anywhere, you're saying? Reginald Ferguson [00:39:33]: It's not going anywhere. Right. So, yeah, the guy what was what was it? The guy and the wife and he had a Brooks joint on? No. Not a good look. I understand Tiff [00:39:44]: that. Are you talking about the couple, Yeah. Who stood in the yard with guns? Reginald Ferguson [00:39:49]: At the at the, the r and c. Tiff [00:39:52]: So In Missouri? Yes. Tiff [00:39:55]: Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:56]: So yeah. Again, to reiterate, not a not a not a good look. So but, again, I'm sorry. I just have to I have to respectfully disagree with you and the and the op ed piece. Tiff [00:40:06]: Oh, you're not listen. You're not just I'm not saying that I'm taking this, op ed side say it. It just it I like when I read something that has me think differently than I thought before. Because, you know, especially when you're talking to people like you and I are doing, it's interesting that we read all sides of everything as much as we can so that we can look at things from different perspectives. Reginald Ferguson [00:40:34]: I'm all I'm always down for that. Tiff [00:40:36]: Yeah. And that's all I was doing. That's I just found it very interesting. And like I said, it gave me hope. You know? What if what if this is happening? And and if it is happening, if this revolution is happening and these retailers are going down, I guess a word about Ralph Lauren Polo, they pivoted well, shall we say. I mean, that's the new word. Right? Pivoting all businesses, you have to pivot in this new COVID new normal? Reginald Ferguson [00:41:10]: I don't know I don't know their financials that well. I don't think they necessarily pivoted. They didn't overextend like these other brands. Mhmm. These over these other brands clearly that is what has happened. And and obviously I'm not trying to make it simplistic either. So what we are finding is not unique to the menswear space. Right? But unfortunately, there are a lot of businesses and particularly if we are talking about retail, they're non essential businesses. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:41]: Right? So they are feeling the strain. Tiff [00:41:46]: Right. And Reginald Ferguson [00:41:49]: some of the and some of them some of them are folding. So it's, you know, we mentioned this in a previous part and I know at the end you're gonna reserve some time for me. So that's why the Century situation is different than the situations you before mentioned. So but we'll leave we'll leave that to the end. Tiff [00:42:11]: Well, I have an I have a question that I was going to, put to you regarding regarding this op ed article and what it was saying and the possibility that it may be true or it may not be. Not. But what but about the things we've been talking about since March, what does this mean for business like yours? So first of all, for those Reginald Ferguson [00:42:36]: who are joining us Sure. Tiff [00:42:38]: For those who are joining us for the first time, Reg, what is it that you do? What is your business? What is this whole podcast supporting? Reginald Ferguson [00:42:44]: Sure. I have a business called New York Fashion Geek. It is a men's fashion consultancy. We help men improve their look, the everyday man. We go from closet inventory to personal shopping and everything in between. Consider me a personal trainer for fashion. So to answer your question, yeah. I mean, the whole WFH movement, the working from home movement certainly impacts my business. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:13]: There's no question about that. So right now, I'm just holding I'm just holding tight. Tiff [00:43:22]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:22]: People listen to the podcast. Hopefully, they learn and empowered. And certainly, if people wanna reach out to me as a result of the pod, that's great. Obviously, I do a newsletter. I always like to keep people in the loop about what's going on. Tiff [00:43:37]: But why are your services is shopping. You go shopping. You Reginald Ferguson [00:43:40]: do Right. You go shopping. Oh, I know. Tiff [00:43:42]: I mean, hello? That's gotta be difficult now. I mean Yeah. I I know for a fact Brooks Brothers is one of your go to for one of your clients. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:51]: Yes. That's correct. Tiff [00:43:53]: And Century 21 was always a go to, for yourself. I don't know if you took I think you might have taken clients there as well. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:59]: For both. Definitely both. And, again, you know, we could talk about it now, but probably wanna reserve it to the end. So but, yes. I mean, Century, are you kidding me? Yeah. Abs abs absolutely. It's a touchstone, not just for me, but for clients as well. You're absolutely correct. Tiff [00:44:13]: And your focus is not only on suit men's. Tiff [00:44:16]: It's on all men's. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:17]: We go we go from oh, I didn't mention that earlier. We go from casual, to men's suiting. Tiff [00:44:23]: Right. Right. So so with these brands filing bankruptcy, these these major suiting brands, you are feeling that you're feeling the pinch a little bit. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:35]: Well, you say major suiting brands. I mean, there aren't any major suiting brands that have declared chapter 11, with the exception of of Brooks. Tiff [00:44:43]: Right. That's that's the one I Reginald Ferguson [00:44:44]: was feeling. Okay. Yeah. That's that's the only one. So yeah. No. Am I feeling a pinch? Absolutely. I'd be lying. Tiff [00:44:53]: Right. No. Of of Reginald Ferguson [00:44:54]: course, I am. So the only thing I can do is continue to try to empower the everyday man and his girlfriend and his spouse, his buddy, and and know that I'm always there. Tiff [00:45:11]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:11]: So, but certainly there are things that we can do. Now I've mentioned that on my newsletter in terms of virtual shopping, even just picking out outfits virtually, we can do that. Tiff [00:45:26]: Oh, absolutely. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:27]: You know, the technology the technology is great. So Tiff [00:45:31]: That's a good pivot on your part. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:33]: I'm sorry? Tiff [00:45:34]: I said that's a good pivot on your part. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:36]: I guess, but we but we always had that as a service. So I just if anything, I I reminded my clients about that. So we've always had that. Tiff [00:45:45]: I read Reginald Ferguson [00:45:45]: an article. Tiff [00:45:46]: I read an article that might make you feel, a little uplifted. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:52]: Okay. Tiff [00:45:53]: And the article was on Bloomberg dotcom, and it was about, alright. I'll read the title from the, once again, the address line. The suit proclaimed dead is alive and well for some tailors. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:07]: The Coggins article, Business Week. Tiff [00:46:10]: Yes. So, basically, this article states that Taylor's I mean, although their their their, volume has diminished, they are still able to keep all of their employees working because people are still getting that bespoke tailored suit to this day, and I find that so interesting. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:40]: I as well, because How Tiff [00:46:42]: is that happening? Reginald Ferguson [00:46:44]: Well, I think in the examples that Coggin cites in the article, at least the New York ones So the New York ones, I think he, he mentioned Jake, Jake Neusser. Big shout out to Jay. Gonna have you on this podcast one day, bro. And, Tiff [00:47:02]: We're gonna have everybody on this podcast. Reginald Ferguson [00:47:06]: All at once? I don't know. Tiff [00:47:07]: No. What are you time? Reginald Ferguson [00:47:11]: And Paolo Maturano. Those guys have audiences that they just don't stop, it seems, to their credit. My business is, is a lot younger than both of theirs, singularly or combined. So, you know, god bless them. And and for me, I'm just I'm hanging in. I'm hanging I'm hanging tough. Tiff [00:47:40]: I think we can say from this article that now is the time to get your bespoke suit, because there's not a long wait for them. You can go to I can't imagine the Taylors have really surged their prices, at all. I think, you know, if you ever I for our audience, if anybody's ever wanted a bespoke or, you know, bespoke tailored or tailored alone suit, now is the time to do it, for sure. Wouldn't you say? Reginald Ferguson [00:48:12]: I don't think there's ever a bad time. So Of Tiff [00:48:15]: course, you don't. If you have Reginald Ferguson [00:48:17]: if you have the time, and a lot of people seem to nowadays, certainly certainly go for it. Tiff [00:48:26]: Well, I think I mean, I would love my husband to have one. I think that would just make Reginald Ferguson [00:48:30]: I would just love for your your husband to become a client of mine. So, geez, what? It's a dream. Tiff [00:48:41]: Can I say one more thing about this? I this article, one of the interesting ways so, you know, with, with COVID, you know, being in the same room, you have to keep 6 feet social distancing, but whenever you're Tiff [00:48:56]: having your suit tailored, that's impossible. Tiff [00:48:56]: You know, the tailor has to be there to to pinch the seam and pin and chalk mark and, you know, do all the kinds of markings and things that they need to know what to take in, what to let out, those kind of things, where where to build next. And, that was the first when I was reading this, I'm like, how the hell is this happening? I mean, tailoring is such a in person thing. Whenever you work with making a garment for someone's particular body, it's an in person thing. How do you and I have to give props for this industry for figuring it out. And they're doing it through the Internet, through Zoom. And how they're doing that, I need to learn because I'm like, what? Even this Taylor that they were interviewing was like, it was very skeptical at first that how they could do it. But, you know, the client tries on the garment and, the client themselves take a few basic measurements, I guess they're told by the tailor, and then they take that information back to the pattern maker, and then they they basically produce the garment. I mean, as long as the the person who's doing the measuring on themselves is, pretty accurate. Tiff [00:50:12]: I mean, brilliance. That's brilliant. Reginald Ferguson [00:50:16]: I think I think that's I think that's really tricky. I know in the article, if I recall correctly, so Jake, Jake Muser, he is doing Zoom fittings and he gives out a sample jacket to his client and then they figure it out from there. So and even me for my business, essentially, if a customer is shopping and they're confused about what goes with what, hey. Just FaceTime me. Boom. That's how we solve that. Or with the items they currently have and they're about to do a Zoom meeting and they just wanna do business on top but I would prefer if they did business on top and bottom and I mentioned that in my newsletter because you don't wanna be that guy. I had a meeting, I'm I'm gonna be from top to bottom at all times. Reginald Ferguson [00:51:05]: I had a meeting and individual asked me for something and I realized it wasn't I do my setup in my living room and I realized something I had to get was in my bedroom. I got up. I'm glad I didn't have sweatpants on. I'm glad I didn't have no pants on. So gentlemen, only thing I'm saying is, really, come on. It just puts you in the right frame of mind if you fly from top to bottom. I'm just saying, guys. Tiff [00:51:34]: And that's another thing the article did say. It did say, you know, though, you know, a lot of the clients who are doing this, that they they they're they're power players. They're high up. Reginald Ferguson [00:51:44]: Yeah. That's my point. Tiff [00:51:45]: In the structure. Reginald Ferguson [00:51:46]: The the 2 the 2 I have for mentioned, I wish I had their clientele and one day I will. But until then, I'm just I'm just laying in the cut, always available. And these guys, they're high rolling because they have high roles. Right. All for So Tiff [00:52:02]: there is hope. This is what this whole podcast is about. Hope. Tiff [00:52:08]: Well, not really. Absolutely. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:10]: No. No. Tiff [00:52:11]: Well, to Reginald Ferguson [00:52:11]: an extent to an extent, yeah, you gotta keep hope alive. Tiff [00:52:14]: Speaking of hope, there is hope in the century 21 market. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:22]: Please don't tease me. Tiff [00:52:24]: I'm not. I I so, you wanted to circle back to Century 21, because you wanna say more. So I want you to do It's okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:31]: But now do your thing. What what do you get? Tiff [00:52:33]: Well, I found an article, regarding, it's an extension of the article for our Les podcast that talked about, the state senator and the councilman who were both, trying to do their best to help Century 21 in Bay Ridge stay open. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:49]: Yes. Tiff [00:52:50]: So an update on that is both state senator Andrew, Gunardez, I figured out how to I I heard how to pronounce it, and council member, Justin Brannen. They are pushing a new bill they introduced called the business interruption insurance bill, which mandates that insurance companies honor business interruption insurance claims during the pandemic. This is why a lot of these companies also are going under is because insurance companies just can't pay out or are choosing not to pay out. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:53:21]: They don't wanna pay out. Tiff [00:53:22]: Right. So this bill is gonna mandate that they honor their word, for crying out loud. Honor your word. So there is still hope that at least 1 century 21 will will remain up. Reginald Ferguson [00:53:35]: Need more than 1. Tiff [00:53:36]: We need more than 1. You're absolutely right, but Reginald Ferguson [00:53:39]: Need them all. No. Tiff [00:53:40]: It just takes Reginald Ferguson [00:53:41]: Definitely need Cortland Street. Tiff [00:53:42]: It just takes a flicker to start a fire. Boom. Reginald Ferguson [00:53:48]: Just ask California. Tiff [00:53:51]: Oh, Reg. No. That's not good. Tiff [00:53:53]: That's Reginald Ferguson [00:53:53]: I'm sorry. You set it up. So Tiff [00:53:55]: I didn't set it up. Trying Reginald Ferguson [00:53:58]: to be mean. It was just it was available. Okay. No beef with Cali. You guys know that. Love Cali. Stop these gender reveal parties for crying out loud. Tiff [00:54:11]: Amen. Unbelievable. Ridiculous. But Anyhow. Reginald Ferguson [00:54:16]: That's a, I didn't know this, so thank you so much. I mean, even the the initial news of Century, I didn't know. Big shout out to my friend and client, Bob Bonnage. Tiff [00:54:25]: Yeah. We're all on it. You you're still stuck in the sorrow part. Reginald Ferguson [00:54:29]: I am. Tiff [00:54:30]: I'm trying Tiff [00:54:31]: to pull you out of that. Let's let's get a movement going. Reginald Ferguson [00:54:34]: You are absolutely right. Ladies and gentlemen, you'll be seeing some more, Insta posts with Century because this was the Century week for the podcast. So So so between now Saturday Tiff [00:54:46]: I mean, don't get me wrong. It'll be a great loss if this they can't make this work. Man. But I'm holding out, I'm sending my positive vibes that way. That way, that way, that way. And I hope everyone in the audience you hear, send those positive vibes to Century 21 to all these retailers that really need us right now. You know, buy one thing and, and also, you know, spend some money on some revolutionary rare and get out there and support these major, major important causes. And that's the end of my diatribe. Reginald Ferguson [00:55:21]: I like how you talk, Tiff. Well, that's a wrap. Thank you so much for listening. We hope you had fun and are down for another one. Please tell your friends about us. You know, subscribe, download, spread the love, y'all. Especially shout out those to our producer search and everyone down with the NYFG. Tiff [00:55:37]: And thank you all for tuning in especially for the new ones. Pass it on. Pass them on. And keep on listening. Go back and listen to prior ones. We've got some really, really good ones. And if you, in these day and age, if you have any questions or thoughts or something you wanna share with us, you can always do that by emailing us at rich? Reginald Ferguson [00:55:59]: Story ideas, advice, anything, hit us up. Tiff [00:56:05]: Or you can, what do you call that? DM you on your insta? Reginald Ferguson [00:56:10]: Just slip in my DMs on the insta, New York Fashion Geek. Tiff [00:56:14]: Oh, so cute. Reginald Ferguson [00:56:16]: I try. Tiff [00:56:18]: Or if you're interested in a style consultation. Virtual, ladies and gentlemen. And I did say ladies because he does go both ways. Reginald Ferguson [00:56:28]: Wow, Tiff. Thanks. Okay. So, I'm Reg. Tiff [00:56:33]: And I'm Tiff. Reginald Ferguson [00:56:34]: See you next time. And remember, Tiff [00:56:38]: always Always be fly. Reginald Ferguson [00:56:40]: Fly. Both ways, really?
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