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The Fashion Geek Podcast

26 | I’m Not Checking People Out That Deep

Reg and Tiff talk about Reg’s trip to Warby Parker, the lack of female CEOs in fashion (“The Fabric Ceiling”) and Tiff’s take on watches: what to wear and how to wear them. Check it out, time’s a wasting.

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Reginald Ferguson [00:00:01]: Hello. I'm Red. Tiff [00:00:02]: And I'm Tiff. And we're the fashion geeks. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:04]: Trying to make New York. Tiff [00:00:06]: And the world. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:06]: Well, New York is the world. Tiff [00:00:07]: A little flyer, one outfit Reginald Ferguson [00:00:09]: And yeah. I'm feeling the podcast love. I am Reg Ferguson, fashion geek number 1 and to my side, ride or die. Tiff [00:00:24]: Fashion geek number 2, Tiffany Minnetale Shriver. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:27]: Ah, yes. It's a beautiful day here in our studios in Brooklyn, New York. Tiff [00:00:31]: And outside the studios too. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:32]: Absolutely. We got our producer search. Tiff [00:00:35]: Producing. What he's producing, you know, no one may never know. But hopefully, a very, very good podcast. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:44]: And pop right. As we speak. That's right. Tiff [00:00:49]: You know, he could be producing other things as well at the same time. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:53]: I think he's sometimes he's multi Tiff [00:00:54]: Impotasker. He is a multitasker. Yeah. Yeah. Reginald Ferguson [00:00:59]: That's, that's extremely helpful. And pop. Tiff [00:01:02]: Because I lord knows. I I I couldn't do it myself. How about you, Reg? Reginald Ferguson [00:01:05]: No. I could, but I'm glad that I have someone who's deep in Tiff [00:01:08]: the game. Right. We keep our skills, you know, to the fashion side of things. And and your skill in particular is, helping the everyday man, with his, everyday wear. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:20]: Absolutely. Consider me a personal trainer for fashion. Tiff [00:01:22]: I love that. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:23]: We work from closet inventory to personal shopping, everything in between. You don't have to be Fly like me. This took years to build. Oh. We just want you to be the best that you can be. Tiff [00:01:34]: Which will be very fly if you let Ridge help you out because, And pop. I've seen I've seen some of his clients after he, put his hands on them, and they look really, really fine. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:44]: Thank you. I don't Put a deep grip when I put the hands on the client. I try to keep it gentle because I've got decent mitts. Tiff [00:01:51]: Brushing brushing the shoulders of the of a nice jacket, tugging a little on the back of the jacket. Reginald Ferguson [00:01:58]: Absolutely. Yeah. You gotta make sure that collar's right, gentlemen. Tiff [00:02:02]: Impop. The collar cannot have a gap from your neck. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:04]: Correct. Free tip. Don't have a jacket that's too small because if you do that, that collar is gonna be all askew and not properly aligned with your dress shirt. Tiff [00:02:14]: Free tip. Free tip. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:16]: That's all you get. Tiff [00:02:17]: And, also, it can't be too big because then you got what they call call a gap. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:21]: Right. Then you're swimming. Tiff [00:02:22]: Yeah. And then your your neck is kinda sorta hanging out there, and the back of your jacket is 2 feet, you know, beyond. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:27]: It's a no no. Tiff [00:02:28]: Looks like you're running out of your jacket. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:30]: Speaking of clients, I actually if you check on my institute, did something a little different. Tiff [00:02:36]: What'd you do? What'd you do? Reginald Ferguson [00:02:38]: Helped out a female client. Tiff [00:02:41]: Oh, with menswear? Reginald Ferguson [00:02:43]: No. With eyewear. Tiff [00:02:44]: Talking about gender fluidity here, you know. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:46]: Well, we were. Tiff [00:02:47]: In the prior if you listen to the prior episode, we were talking about gender fluidity. So that would be amazing if you're helping a female client with menswear. Reginald Ferguson [00:02:55]: That was amazing. Just amazing helping out a client. Tiff [00:02:58]: Okay. So with eyewear? Reginald Ferguson [00:02:59]: Yes. Spectacleies. Tiff [00:03:01]: Alright. Nice. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:02]: Yes. Big shout out to Melissa Gordon. Took her to Warby Parker. Tiff [00:03:08]: Oh, they do have a everybody knows Warby Parker from being online, but they actually do have a brick and mortar here in the city. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:14]: They have a few. We went down to the one in Soho. Actually, not too far away from Burton with our previous episode Tiff [00:03:23]: Oh, okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:24]: When we had our boy Jonelle V on. So went in there. I've never been into a Warby Parker before. It was an excellent experience Tiff [00:03:33]: Oh, yeah? Reginald Ferguson [00:03:33]: For someone who's a professional eyeglass wearer like myself. Tiff [00:03:36]: I have to check it out. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:38]: It's not bad. Tiff [00:03:39]: It's not bad. Better than your typical, like, Cohen's optical fashion? Reginald Ferguson [00:03:44]: I would say, but I've never I've never gone to any of those stores. I mean, for the past few years, My brand has been my boys at classic specs. Tiff [00:03:54]: Oh, okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:03:55]: But this client specifically wanted, as we like to call it, WP. So she had a bunch of frames that she had in mind, and the first one was the charm. Tiff [00:04:07]: Nice. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:08]: We didn't even really look at I think we might have looked at a 2nd pair, but not really. It was like the first I was like, this is really it. Tiff [00:04:14]: And just so you if you guys don't know this with Warby Parker, And pop. If you're doing the mail order thing, they'll send you up to 4 or 5 different frames Reginald Ferguson [00:04:21]: That's what she Tiff [00:04:22]: did. To try on. And then you pick out the one you like, and you send the frames back, and then they put your lenses in. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:28]: That's exactly what happened. Tiff [00:04:29]: So It's much cheaper. Much cheaper. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:33]: The experience was smooth, seamless. Staff was nice. Good vibe. Liked the music. In N Out, total. I didn't time it. No more than a half an hour, probably significantly less. Tiff [00:04:46]: Nice. That sounds like a successful trip. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:49]: It was. Tiff [00:04:49]: A successful, job. Reginald Ferguson [00:04:51]: You could check it out on my post. Tiff [00:04:54]: Where is your post, Reg? Reginald Ferguson [00:04:56]: New York fashion geek on the Insta. Tiff [00:04:59]: New York fashion geek, y'all. Check it out. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:01]: And you can also DM me for a free consultation. Tiff [00:05:06]: Did you say free? Reginald Ferguson [00:05:07]: Yeah. Free 99. Tiff [00:05:09]: And pop. Free 99. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:10]: What a deal. But, you know, it's funny, Tiff. Yes. It's I had a conversation recently with someone, and they were like, well, don't you do men and women? I'm like, yeah. I do. But the focus is men. Obviously, I can work with women. But it's funny that we're talking about that because women are generally the ultimate In consumer for fashion. Tiff [00:05:35]: Yes. That's true. Women buy more fashion than than men Reginald Ferguson [00:05:38]: Exactly. Tiff [00:05:39]: Any day of the week. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:39]: Exactly. And often, women advise Their family members, their significant others. Tiff [00:05:47]: Yeah. I buy I buy for my husband. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:48]: I don't you you don't have to keep Tiff [00:05:51]: saying that. And pop. Although he's been he's been helping out a little bit. Reginald Ferguson [00:05:54]: You know? It's just Tiff [00:05:56]: well, this was But it's funny that you should Reginald Ferguson [00:05:58]: bring this done. Tiff [00:05:59]: It's funny you should bring this up because I just read an article, that was taught that that, talking about women and fashion, but it Wasn't talking about women purchasing fashion so much as Reginald Ferguson [00:06:11]: women in fashion. Or is it women in fashion? Tiff [00:06:13]: Women just joking. As CEOs Reginald Ferguson [00:06:17]: In pop. In fashion. Tiff [00:06:18]: In fashion. Oh. And the article in particular that I read, the title was fashion has shockingly few Female CEOs. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:27]: Yipes. Tiff [00:06:28]: Isn't that interesting? Reginald Ferguson [00:06:30]: It's not only interesting Tiff [00:06:31]: I gotta read this. What? And pop. I mean, I I guess, I I assume that all of these fashion brands and fashion I mean, if you think about it, you've got a lot of male names. Calvin Klein, And pop. Help help me out. Tommy Hilga. And they're all men's names, men's fashion houses. But I figured, you know, there would be females at the helm in a certain way, but, not from what this article said. Reginald Ferguson [00:06:57]: I'm not really surprised that there was a dearth Because that's equally shared amongst African Americans beyond fashion, just CEOs of Fortune 500 companies. Tiff [00:07:09]: Of any. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:10]: Regal right. Regardless of gender. So Tiff [00:07:13]: Well, one of the things that, that I read was Shocking about this article. It's at the very beginning of it. And by the way, just so you know, you can find this this, article is in, Quartz. It's an online news, magazine called Quartz. It's, and the title is Fortune 1,000 fashion companies have shockingly few female CEOs. And one the statistics in the very first paragraph that blew my mind are Impa. What? Just 12.5% of clothing companies in the Fortune 1,000 today have female CEOs. Reginald Ferguson [00:07:50]: Yipes. Tiff [00:07:50]: 12%. Impop. That's in comparison to companies in aerospace and defense industries, which are 20% female. And pop. Did you hear me? Aerospace and defense. And financial services, which are 18%, both 20 18% female over the fashion industry. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:11]: Wow. That's really bizarre. Tiff [00:08:14]: It doesn't make any sense. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:15]: It does not. Tiff [00:08:16]: Because we are the consumers. When I say we, I say Empower. Females. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:20]: You're sisters. Tiff [00:08:20]: We are Reginald Ferguson [00:08:21]: Sister. Tiff [00:08:21]: We are consumers, the biggest consumers. Women make some 80% of all fashion related purchasing decisions. 80%. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:32]: Yeah. I mean, I'm not surprised. That's why my face is kinda blank. Tiff [00:08:36]: Alright. Well, you don't look okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:37]: No. No. Not me. I'm not no. No. No. No. No. Reginald Ferguson [00:08:40]: No. I I just wanna I I just wanna be clear. This is systemic sexism. That's what this is. Tiff [00:08:48]: Yeah. And the article went on to say that Female led companies are almost twice as profitable as companies with male CEOs. So you would think that these companies would work harder to create paths of, upward mobility, you know, for females within their company. Reginald Ferguson [00:09:06]: Well, you just hit on something. The issue is always Access. The pipeline. Tiff [00:09:13]: The pipeline. Reginald Ferguson [00:09:14]: That's the problem here. Tiff [00:09:15]: And these companies are just not creating it for women. Reginald Ferguson [00:09:19]: It's it's still male and pale. So Tiff [00:09:24]: Male and pale. Reginald Ferguson [00:09:26]: Yep. Yep. So, I mean, literally, what you're speaking about is absolutely perverse. This is no question about that. So we're talking about fashion, which is predominantly female oriented. So you would get But yet there's no representation. Tiff [00:09:47]: Well, one of the article one of the things that the article stated was why. They were trying to come up with why. Why is that the case? Reginald Ferguson [00:09:55]: What were the what were the lockers? Tiff [00:09:56]: Was 1. The other 1 is because sometimes women are, sort of paying the price when they choose to have a family. Reginald Ferguson [00:10:04]: Mommy track. Tiff [00:10:05]: Yeah. They they wanna go and have a family, so they have to take time off from work. So they lose that that opportunity to move up. And I I mean, I I think one of the solutions could b, and I think a lot of companies are starting to do this, is, you know, offer work from home. I mean, you know, if you're gonna be Sure. If you're gonna raise a family and this could be for men and women. Right. Because in this day and age, some men are are taking the lead in the household as opposed to women, in the new progressive era that we are in in this world for now. Reginald Ferguson [00:10:41]: Right. Tiff [00:10:42]: So that's one of the solutions, And and creating access as well. Like, the companies have to consciously, really work in this kind of gender diversity in their culture, because women work just as hard as the men. They're just as productive. They just sort of get stuck in middle management for some reason for, well, for many reasons. And pop. Leaving it for you. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:11]: No. No. No. No. That's fine. No. That's fine. I mean, again, it's it's it's the same playbook, essentially, is are there programs through organizations? Are there internships? Are there people that really give a damn in the senior ranks to have Gender diversity, much less racial diversity. Tiff [00:11:37]: And they had to think consciously about it because it is a blind spot for them. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:40]: Exactly. Because the de facto was gonna be Chip. Tiff [00:11:45]: Yep. Reginald Ferguson [00:11:46]: Skyler. So the only way you change that is by having individuals in decision making roles that reflect the paucity of the of of the gender. Meaning, we need more women. Tiff [00:12:01]: We need more women. Reginald Ferguson [00:12:02]: Right. Right. And, again, I'm not trying to make it simplistic, my sisrin. I'm not trying to do that at all. Just, again, as a African American, there's a great parallel here. So And, clearly, I'm just a guy who's a fashion consultant with a podcast. Tiff [00:12:20]: So hopefully, our podcast will, you know, fall on the ears of some CEOs and create consciousness, in their life, in their brand, and they will create avenues for women to not hit that what do they call it? Fabric ceiling. You know? Oh. The article call I thought that was very clever. Not a glass ceiling, but a fabric ceiling. Reginald Ferguson [00:12:42]: That's slick. Tiff [00:12:43]: You guys gotta read this article. It's very, very good. Reginald Ferguson [00:12:45]: One could argue that those people are fashion fools, Tiff. Fashion. Fashion. Fool. Tiff [00:12:59]: What? Reginald Ferguson [00:13:00]: It's a wonderful segue. Tiff [00:13:01]: It is because you brought us a fashion fool for to the for discussion today. Reginald Ferguson [00:13:07]: Here we go. Tiff [00:13:09]: Alright, Reg. Who's our fashion fool for today? Oh, boy. We all know when we hear that Impop. The expression of air coming out of Reg's mouth that we are in for it. Reginald Ferguson [00:13:21]: It's because it's it's coming from pain. I can't believe I have to put these people out like this. Tiff [00:13:29]: I know. It was kinda like, what? And pop Reginald Ferguson [00:13:32]: But I'm gonna do it. Tiff [00:13:34]: Alright. Do it. Go ahead. Reginald Ferguson [00:13:37]: It's the return of the Barney's Warehouse Sale. Tiff [00:13:40]: Oh, boy. I was so excited when you sent me that Instagram post. Reginald Ferguson [00:13:44]: You can maybe still be excited, but Right? I am nonplussed. Tiff [00:13:49]: Well, I haven't I haven't gone, but did you go? Reginald Ferguson [00:13:52]: Yes. Tiff [00:13:53]: Oh, boy. What happened? Reginald Ferguson [00:13:54]: But no. Let let's get back to that whole photo thing. When I saw that the Barney's Warehouse sale was back, Impressive. I couldn't have been more excited. Tiff [00:14:01]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:02]: The last time they had it was a few years ago, and it was whack. Tiff [00:14:05]: And it used to be It was Reginald Ferguson [00:14:07]: in Williamsburg the last In part time. Tiff [00:14:08]: Oh, it was in Brooklyn. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The last one I went to was in Manhattan, so that was a good Reginald Ferguson [00:14:13]: good good while ago. Which is probably at co op. Probably. Right. Tiff [00:14:16]: Most likely. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:17]: So love those memories of it there, and I have even earlier memories when it was Tiff [00:14:22]: It was huge. Right. It was like a literally an all day thing for Reginald Ferguson [00:14:25]: me. Right. Well, when it was in Williamsburg, it was a shell of itself. Alright. It was just a few years ago. Then last week, I received an email. Then I saw a post on Insta, which I did. Sent to you. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:39]: You sent it to me. Myself. Tiff [00:14:42]: So excited. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:42]: It was coming back. Tiff [00:14:43]: Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:44]: Like coming out of retirement. The InstaPost was a shot of the sale from the seventies. Tiff [00:14:50]: Oh, I thought that looked a little vintage. Reginald Ferguson [00:14:52]: Oh, it was hot. It took me back in time. It made me think of the old radio ads with the cool white guy doing the VO. Tiff [00:15:00]: I wasn't here then. So I Reginald Ferguson [00:15:02]: don't know. For any native New Yorkers listing. You know that warehouse sale commercial you used to hear when you were a kid on 10/10 winds? Tiff [00:15:09]: I love that station. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:11]: Give us 22 seconds, we'll give you the world. But, anyway, it made me the the the photo, it made me think of my grandparents making a trip from the Bronx to meet us in Manhattan. Tiff [00:15:22]: It was a family event. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:24]: Absolutely. It absolutely was for me as a kid. I first heard the name Hickey Freeman From that sale. Tiff [00:15:31]: Hickey Freeman. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:32]: Yes. And what a coincidence. I'm rocking a Hickey Freeman right now. Tiff [00:15:36]: Nice. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:36]: So clearly, this sale has a lot of significance for me. Tiff [00:15:42]: Is that is that from a long time ago that you're rocking? Or Oh, no. This is recent acquisition. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:47]: This is a recent, Impop. Tiff [00:15:48]: Recent acquisition. The year. You're a shopaholic. Reginald Ferguson [00:15:51]: No. No. No. No. I'm all about a deal And an opportunity. Tiff [00:15:56]: Okay. Can't pass up a deal or an opportunity, which is Right. Barney's Warehouse Sale. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:02]: Yes. Impop. Tiff [00:16:03]: It's got it's all wrapped into 1. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:04]: Exactly. And that's why I also feel that this is a New York cultural institution. The lines down the block, woman fighting over a piece of clothing. Tiff [00:16:15]: Well, I didn't experience that. I had heard stories about it, but I didn't experience that in my, in my trips. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:22]: Men dropping their pants in the corner. Oh my god. Going to see the doctor. What? Yep. There was nothing like it. Tiff [00:16:28]: 1st, real sirs business. Reginald Ferguson [00:16:29]: I loved it. Then ecommerce came. Instead of having the event every 6 months, They created a website, bonnie's I understand it. It makes sense. But coming from a person who still makes the majority of his purchases in store, Especially suits and sport jackets. Tiff [00:16:48]: Yeah. There's these things that really are you're spending a lot of money. You wanna make sure that Reginald Ferguson [00:16:53]: you fit. Right. Tiff [00:16:53]: Like, I get things online, underwear or T shirt or, you know, the from the basics the basic things I wear Reginald Ferguson [00:17:00]: Right. Tiff [00:17:01]: That I know will fit because I'm just buying a new a new pair of them. But yeah. And, you know, get something new or something. You gotta have your hands on it. You gotta feel the fabric. You gotta see what the seams look like. You gotta see how it fits. Reginald Ferguson [00:17:12]: I agree. I agree. I think there's still a value of checking stuff out, putting it on, looking at it in the mirror for confirmation. Tiff [00:17:18]: Yep. Reginald Ferguson [00:17:18]: I'm with you. I have acquired so many pieces from that warehouse sale that is still in my closet, AKA the closed museum. Tiff [00:17:26]: Yeah. You still you have a Barney's warehouse in your apartment. I believe that. Reginald Ferguson [00:17:32]: Hey. That's a cop shop. Tiff [00:17:34]: You could. You absolutely could. Reginald Ferguson [00:17:38]: So imagine, Tiff, my shock, when I found out the warehouse sale has essentially nothing for men. Tiff [00:17:45]: Excuse me? Reginald Ferguson [00:17:46]: Nothing. What? It was Tiff [00:17:49]: Nothing for men? Reginald Ferguson [00:17:50]: Nothing. Tiff [00:17:52]: So correct me if I'm wrong. Barneys, And pop. Wasn't that a mostly menswear brand Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:17:58]: For the longest time? Tiff [00:17:59]: Yes. And no. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:00]: And things change over time. I don't have a problem with that. I'm just talking about The sale always had a men's section and a women's section. Tiff [00:18:09]: And what does it have now? Reginald Ferguson [00:18:11]: Not so much men All women. Tiff [00:18:14]: Oh, neither? Neither? Reginald Ferguson [00:18:16]: All no. Woah. All women. All women. Oh. But but No shoes and accessories for women. Tiff [00:18:23]: There are no shoes? Reginald Ferguson [00:18:24]: So who shoes? Tiff [00:18:25]: Because that's I'm, like, bought 10 pairs of shoes at 1 warehouse sale. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:28]: Heard this story. Yes. Tiff [00:18:30]: Are you kidding me? No shit. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:31]: Not kidding you. Meanwhile, if you look in their Insta, new merch every day. Yeah. Tiff [00:18:37]: Yeah. I saw that. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:38]: Come on, guys. Tiff [00:18:39]: No. Not so much. Reginald Ferguson [00:18:40]: Mister Pressman is turning in his grave. Tiff [00:18:42]: That's interesting. We just talked about how 80% of all Fashion sales are made by women. So Reginald Ferguson [00:18:51]: You can still get stuff, but you there ain't no shoes and accessories, so that ain't no sale. I don't care Tiff [00:18:56]: what why Barney's made is predominantly women and not men? No. Do you think that Barney's thinks that men are no longer shopping the warehouse for things for themselves? No. Or do you think It's all selling out online. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:10]: Listen. What it is what it is is that They're not doing their job. Tiff [00:19:18]: Oh. Oh, that's a serious that's a serious claim. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:21]: That's the bottom line. Tiff [00:19:22]: What is the job? Reginald Ferguson [00:19:24]: The job is to have what you've always had. A men's section, a women's section, Everything from a to z, chock full of nuts. And that's really it. I mean, that's really it. Like, from a men's side, it was always Rods of suits, then you had rods of jackets, and then you had on tables, pants, tops, And then you had a whole section with shoes. Tiff [00:19:51]: Nice. You had the complete set. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:53]: It was dope. And then you you had socks. Everything was, You know, sectioned. Tiff [00:19:58]: Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:19:58]: You had ties, you know, blah blah blah blah. I mean, it was fantastic. It was fantastic. And now it's just a shell of itself. Tiff [00:20:07]: So disappointing. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:10]: Oh, understatement. Oh. I mean, listen. It's like you learn on the court. Come strong or don't come at all. Tiff [00:20:15]: Don't half ass it. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:16]: Right. It's embarrassing. It's a show of itself. I mean Tiff [00:20:20]: Ugh. That's disappointing to hear because Reginald Ferguson [00:20:23]: and Barney's. Tiff [00:20:24]: I was I was gonna go check it out on the next day Reginald Ferguson [00:20:26]: of 2. Tiff [00:20:27]: But No. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:27]: You mean, you can And if you have it with me in Brooklyn, Tiff [00:20:29]: say thing. I'm in Queens. For me to get all the way to Brooklyn is a haul. And if it's if it's not gonna be worth it, I don't know. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:36]: Well, you're, You know what, Tiff? We're putting you on assignment. Oh. You need to go before the sale's over. Tiff [00:20:43]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:44]: Maybe take a photo of 2 inside, outside. Tiff [00:20:46]: Okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:46]: And then in the next podcast, give us your reconnaissance. Tiff [00:20:51]: Got it, coach. Will do. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:52]: Cool. Tiff [00:20:53]: Alright. Reginald Ferguson [00:20:54]: You're a fashion fool, Barneys. Don't speak to me ever again. Tiff [00:20:59]: I'm sure they you know, they'll listen to the podcast. They'll Hear the the disappointment in your voice, and they will work to make a change for the next warehouse sale. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:08]: I doubt it. Tiff [00:21:08]: It's whack, guys. It's just whack. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:11]: It's whack. Tiff [00:21:11]: It It is possibility. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:13]: Sucks. Tiff [00:21:15]: Well, let's move on to something that's not quite as disappointing. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:19]: Or polarizing. Tiff [00:21:20]: Or polarizing. And that is a kinda new segment called accessorize to maximize. A to the m. A to the m. Reginald Ferguson [00:21:29]: Very t I f f. What you got, Tiff? Tiff [00:21:33]: So, I wanna this this This is a segment I introduced a couple of podcasts, ago, and it's basically talking about, accessories to take take your suit, your jacket, your your total outfit to the next level. You know, you can put on a jacket. You Put on a shirt. You could put on a pair of slacks or or jeans or whatever, and and you look dressed. You you're put together. You're done. But It's what you add to that, the accessories from top to bottom that really maximize your maximizes your style, makes a statement about who you are, just like that pocket square you got right now. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:10]: My grandpa's. Tiff [00:22:11]: Yeah. And I, as a matter of fact, the prior assessor for us to maximize item was In pocket. Pocket squares. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:16]: It was. Tiff [00:22:17]: So what I'm bringing to you today, which is another favorite of yours, Reg, I think. And pop. We're, we're gonna deep dive today into watches. Oh. Yeah. I Reginald Ferguson [00:22:29]: happen to have one on. Tiff [00:22:30]: You always have a watch on. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:32]: I know. Tiff [00:22:32]: That's what I wanted to I you always have a me? Reginald Ferguson [00:22:36]: Sure. Tiff [00:22:36]: No watch. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:37]: Oh, no what? Tiff [00:22:38]: In this day and age of the cell phone, having a time. I think a lot of people like me are like me, and and and the watches I have 2 watches at home. I never wear them. I just never wear them. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:50]: That's sad. Tiff [00:22:50]: And it's a lost opportunity. Reginald Ferguson [00:22:52]: It is. Tiff [00:22:53]: Especially for men. And I This is why I say Do Reginald Ferguson [00:22:57]: you see a lot of men not wearing watches? Tiff [00:22:59]: I, I would say I've noticed that it a lot of times, Yeah. They don't have watches on them. Really? They're holding their cell phone. They don't need a watch. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:07]: Wow. I mean, I understand. I just I guess I haven't picked up on Tiff [00:23:11]: And what what I wanna say is it's not about need. A watch is a piece of jewelry. It's a it's a it's an opportunity to express yourself. And pop. And It's a need. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:22]: I need to know the time. Tiff [00:23:24]: It could be a need, but I think most importantly, a watch, it's kind of like equivalent to a woman's bracelet. And. Although men wear bracelets too. It's a piece of jewelry. It's a it's a piece of jewelry that takes your your look to the next level. And there's you know, you can wear a wristwatch, or you can wear a pocket watch. You've got choices. There are so many choices now in this day and age because pocket watches are so back into fashion now. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:49]: Really? I mean, we we discussed this in a previous episode. You know, I had my late grandfather. Tiff [00:23:54]: Yes. Yes. Reginald Ferguson [00:23:54]: Haven't gotten that chain. Tiff [00:23:56]: I'm sorry. I have to keep looking. So because of that, I wanted to talk about, you know, the the watch. You You know, I wanna talk about the origin of it, the history. Like, where do watches come from? I also wanted to talk about, you know, the different kinds of brands, Impop. You know, really good brands that you would probably recommend or brands that are really nice luxury or brands that are more attainable. And then I I wanted to talk about rules of wearing watches. Can you believe that? There's rules. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:27]: I did not know there were rules, but I can't I can't wait to be Tiff [00:24:32]: And that's why we're you know, we're here to to help augment your business, your your style and consultation business. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:39]: Yes. Tiff [00:24:39]: The the fashion geek. And pop. And in doing that, we're here to help the everyday man not only look good, but look good appropriately, like, you know, within the rules and regulations. Now Just like with any rules, rules can be broken. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:53]: Sure. Tiff [00:24:54]: Right? But we're gonna lay it out to you what's out there, and then you can decide with your individual style. Reginald Ferguson [00:24:59]: Our previous guest was rocking Tiff [00:25:01]: 2 watches. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:02]: Which I used to do back in the day. Did Tiff [00:25:03]: you really? Reginald Ferguson [00:25:04]: I told you. I must watches. Tiff [00:25:05]: Oh, that's right. You would wear them too. Me too. I forgot about that. And pop. But, like, breaking the rules of, the length of pants and stuff. You know? A lot of, men are breaking that rule. Wearing the high waters. Tiff [00:25:19]: But getting us back to watches. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:20]: Okay. Tiff [00:25:21]: So I did a little research. Reginald Ferguson [00:25:23]: What a surprise. Tiff [00:25:24]: And, the history of the watch and where it came from is a little varied, you know, depending on depending on what you read. Different sources say The first watch came from different needs or uses. So, you know, the 2 things that, that seemed to sort of really stick out in everything I read was, the word watch came from the old English word, Woche, w o e c c e. I don't even know if that's the proper way to pronounce it. But it meant watchmen because it was used by the town watchmen to keep track of their shifts. So it was a very practical term because they needed to keep track of when they were starting, when they were done. Another, source said that the term came from 17th century sailors who use the new mechanisms to time the length of their And pop. Shipboard watches. Tiff [00:26:21]: So once again, the word watch. So that's why it became the word watch became associated with what you wear on your body to tell Isn't that interesting? Reginald Ferguson [00:26:31]: It is. I I was not aware of the history. Tiff [00:26:33]: And, I another history of the first watch. So one of my sources said the clockmaker, Peter Henlein. I don't know if I'm saying it correctly. In pop. He's often credited as the inventor of the watch. He was one of the first German craftsmen who made clock watches, ornamental timepieces worn as pendants. So when watches, yes, they're worn as pendants and necklaces. Reginald Ferguson [00:26:59]: Kind of like Yes. Our friends at EcoRisk. Tiff [00:27:02]: Eco risk because they were they constantly if you go to Eco risk, it's eco. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:08]: It's echo or Hippo. Tiff [00:27:09]: They have wristwatches, but they also have pendant on beads, which I thought was so interesting. And and Yes. And they're they're throwing it back to beginning of time. Pardon my pun. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:19]: I like how you put yeah. Tiff [00:27:20]: Yeah. You like that? Yeah. Okay. So the first timepieces worn on the body were pendants. The 1st wristwatch is credited or thought to be created in 18/12 to fit the wrist of the queen of Naples. But another source said that no. In 15 seventies, Imposs. It wasn't it was happening, but it was called an arm watch. Tiff [00:27:45]: And they were primarily worn by women, as the watches were prone to damage by the elements, which is why men wore pocket watches. Reginald Ferguson [00:27:55]: Oh. Tiff [00:27:56]: So you would put it in your pocket to protect it against the elements, to protect the glass or or back in the day, it was just a a metal dome with different cutout designs that covered the actual hands. So protect the the timing mechanisms from getting, you know, soiled or hurt or anything like that. They wore them in their pockets. So there you have the origin of the word watch and what some say are the beginning of the wearing of the watch itself. Reginald Ferguson [00:28:24]: Very interesting. Tiff [00:28:25]: Are you interested? Reginald Ferguson [00:28:26]: Yeah. I I I I I'm not aware of the history. Tiff [00:28:30]: And I love the history, because things are all born out of necessity. When, you know, when it comes to fashion, some of it is, superfluous, but the the watch is not. It was a a necessary item. And pop. It was a necessity. Thank you. Good job. So that's all I have for history. Tiff [00:28:50]: Any questions? No. Chat clash, Can I move on? Reginald Ferguson [00:28:53]: Yeah. I'm I'm glad there's no quiz. Just Tiff [00:28:56]: That's for later. Oh. So the next what we who makes the best watch? Impop. That would be the next question. Reginald Ferguson [00:29:03]: Oh my gosh. Tiff [00:29:04]: Exactly. Reginald Ferguson [00:29:05]: Yeah. Yeah. That's Tiff [00:29:06]: So you know when I do my research, the first thing I do is go to Google. Google search. Oh, I Reginald Ferguson [00:29:09]: did not realize it. Tiff [00:29:10]: Google it. Reginald Ferguson [00:29:10]: You've never told us you're a source of Tiff [00:29:12]: Google it. Research. I always Google. And I I typed in, who makes the best watches? Oh my gosh. Impacts. The the results. The results. And everything I read had different different lists of who the top 10 or the top 8 brands or or anything like that. Tiff [00:29:29]: It was just there were a few brands that sort of showed up in almost all of the searches. Patek Philippe. Reginald Ferguson [00:29:36]: Yep. Tiff [00:29:37]: That was one of them. Reginald Ferguson [00:29:38]: Passing on to the generation. Tiff [00:29:40]: Tag hoor? Yep. How do you say that? Yeah. Tag hauer? Rolex? Reginald Ferguson [00:29:45]: Impacts. Rollo. Tiff [00:29:46]: Rollo. Those are the some of the few names that were, you know, sort of in every single list, and those are luxury brands. Reginald Ferguson [00:29:54]: Yes. Meaning, ladies and gentlemen, I don't possess any of those. Maybe you do, but I do not. Tiff [00:30:01]: And, though, Impop. They can be must have items. You just have to, you know, say that. Reginald Ferguson [00:30:06]: We did we did a I must have it for Auris. Tiff [00:30:09]: Yes. We did. Reginald Ferguson [00:30:10]: The Auris collab with The Rake. But Yeah. Tiff [00:30:14]: Yeah. You gotta save up for that. So the more Reginald Ferguson [00:30:17]: I like what I have. Tiff [00:30:18]: I did find another list was a more affordable list under 500. And I think, paying for paying under $500 for watches It's Is reasonable. Is very reasonable because this thing is gonna last you a long time. Reginald Ferguson [00:30:30]: I am sure that on your list, I probably fit in there on that affordable list. Tiff [00:30:35]: Impop. Well, some of the names that you might recognize, Sako. Reginald Ferguson [00:30:38]: Yeah. Tiff [00:30:39]: Casio. Reginald Ferguson [00:30:40]: Oh, when I was a kid. Tiff [00:30:42]: G Shock. Reginald Ferguson [00:30:43]: And pop out Tiff [00:30:43]: now. That's a recent that's a recent new brand. Well, recent, last 10 years. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:30:48]: Yeah. Longer than that. Tiff [00:30:49]: Citizen. And. You don't Reginald Ferguson [00:30:55]: I well Tiff [00:30:55]: What are you looking for? Reginald Ferguson [00:30:56]: Well, no. No. No. I have 2 Seikos Impop for a disclosure. Tiff [00:31:00]: That's yeah. Very affordable. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:01]: Matter of fact, it's funny that you Tiff [00:31:03]: Very budget. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:03]: It's funny. Hey. Easy. Grand Grand Grand Seiko Tiff [00:31:08]: Grand nothing wrong with a budget watch. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:10]: Grand Seiko is not a budget watch, research queen. Tiff [00:31:13]: Okay. I understand that. Seiko was one of the first to Reginald Ferguson [00:31:16]: But I'm talking particularly Grand Seiko. Tiff [00:31:18]: To go into the quartz movement. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:21]: Grand segue Grand Seiko ain't no budget watch. That's all I'm saying. Tiff [00:31:24]: You're right. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:25]: But it's funny we talk about this because look what I have. In pop Tiff [00:31:29]: In your pocket, not on your arm. No. But it's a wristwatch. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:32]: It is. And who is it made by? Tiff [00:31:35]: And it's made by And pop. Gotta put my glasses on so I can see. I need Reginald Ferguson [00:31:40]: to put a loop. Tiff [00:31:41]: Why do they make it so tiny? What does that say? Reginald Ferguson [00:31:44]: Tell you. Tiff [00:31:45]: I can't Reginald Ferguson [00:31:45]: tell you. It's a Seiko. Tiff [00:31:47]: With a broken watch band. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:49]: I know. Tiff [00:31:49]: That's why it's in your pocket. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:51]: Yes. Because Tiff [00:31:52]: Did you bring show and tell? Reginald Ferguson [00:31:55]: No. I was trying to get it repaired. Tiff [00:31:57]: Oh, okay. Reginald Ferguson [00:31:58]: So my guy in my neighborhood did not have the appropriate band. Ladies and gentlemen, Don't compromise on a leather band. Tiff [00:32:08]: You get what you want. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:09]: But you get what you pay for. This is a beautiful leather band. The history behind this Seiko, This was my graduation watch Nice. From my late grandparents. Tiff [00:32:19]: Wow. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:19]: It's a classic. Yes. Tiff [00:32:21]: It is. Square faced. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:22]: Roman numerals. Tiff [00:32:23]: White faced. Square quartz, I should say. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:27]: And finally, because as I Tiff [00:32:30]: With a brown leather wristband. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:31]: Black. That's black. Tiff [00:32:32]: That's black? Reginald Ferguson [00:32:33]: Yes. Tiff [00:32:33]: And pop. Oh, jeez. I can't see anything. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:37]: So, yeah, things wear out over time, ladies and gentlemen. I've had this for, a while. Tiff [00:32:42]: I was gonna ask how many years is that since your graduation? Reginald Ferguson [00:32:46]: Minute. Tiff [00:32:48]: I'm gonna get you to say one time. So One time, I'm gonna get you to say how old you are. Reginald Ferguson [00:32:52]: So, yeah, they they didn't have a good band. So, Tiff [00:32:57]: So you go to someone else? Reginald Ferguson [00:32:57]: No. It's a long standing relationship. And I was like, well Tiff [00:33:01]: Are they gonna order something Reginald Ferguson [00:33:02]: for you? No. So I was like, well, sorry, guys. So I put it in my pocket. I think what I'll probably end up doing, ladies and gentlemen, is going to the Diamond District. Tiff [00:33:14]: Why there? Reginald Ferguson [00:33:15]: Why not there? Tiff [00:33:17]: I mean, the Diamond District is So many The Diamond District. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:20]: Yes. Tiff [00:33:20]: But so many watches do with watch bands? Reginald Ferguson [00:33:22]: They have everything to do with watches. Okay. With watches come watch bands. Tiff [00:33:26]: Gotcha. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:28]: See this watch here? Tiff [00:33:29]: On your wrist. He's actually wearing another wristwatch on his wrist. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:32]: I am wearing a wristwatch. Tiff [00:33:33]: And which one is that? Reginald Ferguson [00:33:35]: This is what you'd probably like, and I don't see it on the list. Tiff [00:33:39]: Oh, well, this is not a comprehensive on you. It is not a comprehensive list. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:43]: Clearly, because I am wearing a classic vintage 19 fifties boulevard. Tiff [00:33:49]: Oh. I was at the boulevard because I have a boulevard watch as Impromptu. Very nice. Very nice. Reginald Ferguson [00:33:55]: And my point is I got this band in the Diamond District. Tiff [00:33:58]: Oh, okay. And it's vintage? Reginald Ferguson [00:34:00]: Yes. This is a vintage timepiece. Tiff [00:34:02]: So it's Reginald Ferguson [00:34:02]: That's that's what I'm into. That's my sneeze. Tiff [00:34:04]: And I I think that's interesting you she bring that up because vintage is all the rage now. And no matter what the brand is, sometimes the brand doesn't matter. It's the it's the story behind the vintage piece that that makes it what it is. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:34:19]: Oh, pray tell. Is it? I don't know. Tiff [00:34:20]: At least to me. There's this gentleman in the business of vintage washes who would say exactly that. Reginald Ferguson [00:34:26]: And who is this gentleman to Tiff [00:34:28]: to speak of? It's an a lovely article that everybody should read, and I'm going to, it's called the man who sparked the vintage watch boom. His name is Oroba Oro Backs? Oro Backs? Backs. I think it's Backs, b a c s. Reginald Ferguson [00:34:44]: Yeah. Facts. Tiff [00:34:46]: And and, basically, what he is, he's an auctioneer, and he auctions off these watches with history or story as if they're a piece of art. Really? And people are paying money as if these are pieces of art. Reginald Ferguson [00:35:00]: Like what kind of money? Tiff [00:35:01]: Like, I didn't I don't have it written down here, but if you go read the article, I think one time piece sold for $15,000,000. Uh-huh. And, I mean, it was a nice name brand watch, but It's sold for $15,000,000 because the auctioneer, this gentleman, Aurel Bacs, told the story of this watch, of who wore it, where it came from. And and and this watch was over, I don't know, 80 years old, and it still worked. And it had wear and tear, And pop. But that watch went for $15,000,000 because of the story behind it. Because Reginald Ferguson [00:35:41]: of the story, Tiff? Yes. Tiff [00:35:43]: Because of the story. Because And pop. There is now a market for vintage watches, that is sort of parallel to the art market, and that is they have auctions. They put these watches up for auctions. You have your little paddle, and bidding starts at a couple of $100,000 for a watch. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:04]: Gosh. Tiff [00:36:05]: So I think we could safely say that our clientele, your clientele, will probably not be in that niche. Reginald Ferguson [00:36:13]: No. I mean, my clientele should have a Rollo. Tiff [00:36:18]: You think so? Yeah. Why not? Just a Rolex, or do you think there's other comparable brands? Reginald Ferguson [00:36:23]: Obviously. I mean, that's why when you said who who's the best, I I was like, what's utterly subjective? Tiff [00:36:29]: It is. And that's the point I wanted to make. You go if you do I want you all to go and Google who makes the best watches and see the diversity in the responses that you get. And, basically, I looked at the pictures of all these watches, and I was like, oh my god. That's beautiful. Impa. Oh my god. That's beautiful. Tiff [00:36:47]: And I you know, I'm not big on watch brands. That's not my thing. That's your thing. You know, you have a knowledge about it beyond me. A Reginald Ferguson [00:36:53]: little bit. A passing now. Tiff [00:36:54]: Impop. But I but the visuals of these watches are all beautiful, so it's all subjective as to what you like and what keeps time. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:01]: Look at that pretty face. Tiff [00:37:02]: Oh, it's beautiful. The raised quartz. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:05]: Right? Yeah. The back old glass. Tiff [00:37:07]: Oh, that's a thick, thick glass there. Yeah. Very nice. And And yours is vintage. Would yours sell for $15,000,000, you think? Reginald Ferguson [00:37:14]: No. I don't know how much it would go for, but certainly not that. Tiff [00:37:18]: Do you know the story behind your vintage watch? Reginald Ferguson [00:37:21]: I bought it. End of story. Tiff [00:37:24]: So would you say, can you say that your watch is considered vintage now because you're vintage? Reginald Ferguson [00:37:33]: This watch came out when I wasn't ever thought of. This watch came out when my mom was a child. Tiff [00:37:42]: Okay. So So it does have a story of a prior owner. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:45]: No. I don't know the private owner. I'm giving you Tiff [00:37:47]: No. The prior owner. Reginald Ferguson [00:37:49]: I don't know the prior owner. Tiff [00:37:50]: I know you don't know the prior owner, but what I'm trying to say is As a vintage watch, it has a story behind it, a history behind it. And if you knew the history of that watch, Where it came from, what it's been through, the wear and tear and what it means would then make that watch more valuable to you. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:10]: It would make it intriguing and interesting if the story resonated with me. Tiff [00:38:14]: Okay. And I think that's what R. O. Backs Backs is creating with his, vintage watch auctions. And that's how he's getting the numbers up in selling these watches, which I think is amazing. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:26]: Well, does he just auction on his own, Tiff? Like, does he represent somebody? Like, how Tiff [00:38:31]: Oh, no. He's hired. He's hired by by people, by, institutions to sell these watches. He's an auctioneer that freelances all over the world, And, apparently, everybody knows who he is in the watch game. So I, I don't know the source. I didn't write the source down of this article. So just Google. Reginald Ferguson [00:38:50]: It's a GQ article I think you're referencing. Tiff [00:38:52]: There you go. GQ. The man who sparked the vintage watch boom. Please read that article. It's so interesting Impop. How this man created this $1,000,000 market just by talking about the history. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:08]: I don't even know what to say. Tiff [00:39:10]: You know Reginald Ferguson [00:39:10]: what I mean? Yeah. Tiff [00:39:11]: It it's just I just I wanted to bring it up because you talked about vintage. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:15]: No. I understand. I think All the watches you're talking about would be infinitely and my I must have its. Tiff [00:39:21]: Right. And they're all beautiful. Now Let's talk about, moving on, the rules of wearing a watch. Reginald Ferguson [00:39:30]: There are rules, Tiff. Tiff [00:39:31]: There are rules. And this is, In these are basically rules of wearing a wristwatch. With pocket watches, I I I don't know if they're separate rules. I mean, pocket watches, In pop. They're like I said, they're back in style. They're very old fashioned in a way, but, you know, the new fashionistas are wearing it and, looking pretty fly if you ask me. I love the look of a pocket watch on a young man when his, when his entire suit is all put together. It looks really together and hip, and I wanna talk to that person. Reginald Ferguson [00:40:02]: Okay. Tiff [00:40:04]: But, anyway, let's go back to the rules of wearing a wristwatch. I think this is Important because I think more men wear wristwatches than pocket watches. And I think the men who wear the pocket watches, men or women. I mean, women can absolutely sport men's wear. I think those who wear the pocket watches are rule breakers to begin with, so I'm not even gonna try to say what the rules are for that. And pop. But there are some general guidelines to wristwatch wearing, and I shall let you know 11 of them. Reginald Ferguson [00:40:31]: Break it down. Tiff [00:40:32]: Eleven rules of the watch. So we're gonna count down from the 11th to 1st. So the first The Reginald Ferguson [00:40:37]: 11 watch commandments. Tiff [00:40:39]: Yeah. The oh, I love it. Commandment number 11. Reginald Ferguson [00:40:43]: I think someone caught that. Tiff [00:40:44]: Wear your watch on the wrist that suits you. Reginald Ferguson [00:40:48]: What? Tiff [00:40:49]: I know. It seems so simple. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:40:51]: No. I disagree. What was that mean? Tiff [00:40:53]: Well, that means so And pop. There are old school rules that say you have to wear it on your nondominant hand. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:01]: That's why I'm reacting. Correct. Tiff [00:41:04]: But this rule says you can wear it on whichever wrist you want. Uh-huh. You have 2 wrists, so one or the other. So why do you say bah to that? Reginald Ferguson [00:41:14]: Because I'm set in my ways. Tiff [00:41:18]: So since you wear your, watch on your left wrist, you are righty. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:22]: Righty. Yes. Tiff [00:41:23]: Okay. Now I could see why old school would say wear your wristwatch on your non dominant. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:28]: Because you're afraid, like You're gonna hurt it. Right. Well, if you're gonna break the watch, the break the crystal. So because of All the writing you're Tiff [00:41:35]: doing that you're doing with your dominant hand. Your your wristwatch will last longer Right. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:40]: There's a reason. Tiff [00:41:41]: On your nondominant wrist. Reginald Ferguson [00:41:43]: All I'm saying. Tiff [00:41:43]: But you know what? That rule has been tossed to the wayside. Wear wear it on whatever risk you feel like it. In this day and age, Wear and tear on a watch does not make it devalued because there's a vintage watch market now, which loves the the dings and the and the scratches and the, everything. So commandment number 10, Never wear a dive watch with a suit, unless you're James Bond, of course. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:11]: I never do. Tiff [00:42:13]: And I I have to say, I love the dive watches. I love all the gadgets. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:17]: Like the Panerai? Tiff [00:42:18]: Oh, it's beautiful. All the different dials on it, and then the It's just I love big watches. I love really big watches. But the problem is, you put your arms down in the suit. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:28]: Problem is it's a big watch. Tiff [00:42:29]: It's a big watch, and it's not gonna go under your sleeve, and you're gonna Look. Reginald Ferguson [00:42:33]: Guys, don't do this because if you do, it means you're compensating. It's all I'm saying. Tiff [00:42:39]: Oh. Big watch, big Reginald Ferguson [00:42:44]: feet. No. Big watch, whack. Tiff [00:42:50]: So, you know, if you're wearing a suit, you wear a slim watch. Save the big watches for when you're, I don't know Diving. Diving. And pop. Commandment number 9, wear dark with dark and light with light. This makes sense. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:03]: Never thought about that. Tiff [00:43:04]: Yeah. You know, if you're if you're out during the day, wear a lighter watch, like a a lighter colored face watch. And at night, you can wear your darker dials such as black, gray, or brown. And if you think about it, if you it's Impop. They're saying this commandment here is saying, keep in mind, like, a tuxedo is for the evening and you wouldn't wear it to brunch. A dark watch dial should be on your wrist at night rather than during your 9 AM tea time is what this article said. Wow. Now I wouldn't have thought about that that either because, you know, depending on what watch I have, and apparently, this article is saying you should have more than one. Tiff [00:43:41]: And pop. It does make a difference day or night. Reginald Ferguson [00:43:44]: That's interesting. Tiff [00:43:45]: Yeah. It is. Commandment number 8, Beware the implications of checking your watch. So this is interesting. This is very Impop. I when I read this, I was like, oh, I never even thought about that. But, yeah, I've been in an instance where some somebody has been constantly checking their watch, and I'm in the middle of a conversation. And I'm like, hey. Tiff [00:44:05]: What's up? You got somewhere to be? You you you am I not important? Am I not interesting? Yeah. Or checking in this day and age, checking their cell phone, constantly checking their cell phones. It just doesn't look good. So what are you checking your cell phone right now? No. I didn't know. I'm talking I'm popping here. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:23]: I'm listening. Tiff [00:44:24]: I'm making a point here. Hey. Yeah. I don't constantly look at your watch. Think of it as a piece of jewelry, not necessarily a 100% as a timepiece. You're accessorizing your outfit. Accessorize to maximize. Reginald Ferguson [00:44:37]: Okay. Tiff [00:44:37]: You don't necessarily always have to know what time it is. If you need to check the time, Step over to the corner somewhere and and have a look. Step out of the conversation. Don't be rude. You like that? Reginald Ferguson [00:44:49]: I was just thinking of, Kumho d. Sorry. Tiff [00:44:52]: Oh, what do you think? Reginald Ferguson [00:44:53]: What time it is. It's old song. Tiff [00:44:55]: Oh, okay. What time is it? Reginald Ferguson [00:44:57]: Check the clock. Tiff [00:44:58]: Number 7, pair watches with outfits appropriately. Now this seems like common sense. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:45:05]: Yes. Tiff [00:45:06]: Like, meaning, match the type of watch you're wearing with the activity you're involved in or or with the kind of clothes that you're wearing. Right. If you're If you're wearing, athletic wear, wear a sports type watch. If you're wearing a business wear, you need to wear a dress watch. Makes sense. Right? Right. 100%. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:24]: Sure. Tiff [00:45:25]: Alright. I don't I don't have to bang that 1 in. So one thing we want to to touch on is if you're wearing formal wear. Historically Reginald Ferguson [00:45:36]: Yes. Tiff [00:45:36]: It's impolite to wear a watch when you go to a a black tie event. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:42]: What? Tiff [00:45:42]: Yes. Historically, it was impolite. You don't wanna be wearing a watch. You're at the event. You're fully at the event. You don't wanna have to look at it. Look at the watch, see what time it is, but things have changed. Reginald Ferguson [00:45:53]: She's posh. Tiff [00:45:54]: Well, yeah. Things have changed in this day and age, so that's an old rule. You can kick that out. You can wear a nice slam evening dress watch with your black tie. But on the rare occasions that you were invited to a white tie event Reginald Ferguson [00:46:06]: Yes. Tiff [00:46:07]: White tie. That means the most formal of all formal. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:10]: I I gotcha. Tiff [00:46:11]: You cannot wear a watch. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:12]: What? Tiff [00:46:12]: Do not. Do not. Do not. Do not. In pop. It's a demand of the formal attire. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:19]: Okay. Tiff [00:46:19]: Alright? That's good rule no because I didn't know that. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:22]: I didn't know that. Tiff [00:46:22]: I had no idea. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:23]: Break it down. Tiff [00:46:24]: So commandment number 6, admire other men's watches from a distance. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:30]: Oh, yeah. Tiff [00:46:31]: And pop. Like, if you're eyeing somebody else's nice watch, you can Oh, I don't know. You can say, man, that's a really nice watch. It's good to see, but don't go, hey. Can I see that watch? Can you take it off your wrist and let me hold it? Oh, no. I would never Reginald Ferguson [00:46:42]: do that. Tiff [00:46:42]: Yeah. I I don't think I don't know anybody in my circle who would do that either. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:46]: That's yucky. Tiff [00:46:47]: Yeah. That's, that's too close. Yes. Yeah. But you can absolutely tell a gentleman that that's a mighty fine watch you're wearing. Reginald Ferguson [00:46:54]: I never would have thought of doing that, but I'll keep it in mind. Tiff [00:46:57]: Oh, of course. Well, you admire you're on the street. You admire men who look and fly and put together. Yeah. But Reginald Ferguson [00:47:02]: not a watch. I'm not checking people out that And. Tiff [00:47:04]: Oh, okay. Most of the time, it's under their sleeve, anyway. Reginald Ferguson [00:47:07]: There you go. Tiff [00:47:08]: Alright. Number 5. This is, this one hurt. This one hurt a little bit. And pop. The oversized watch is over. Reginald Ferguson [00:47:15]: That's what I was just saying to you. Tiff [00:47:17]: It shouldn't have started to begin with is what this article said. An oversized watch will never slide neatly under the cuff. Correct. So oversized watch, sport watch, same thing. It won't, You know, it's got to it's you know, it's all about looking nice with a jacket or shoes. Reginald Ferguson [00:47:34]: You want it bulky. Tiff [00:47:35]: And when you drop your arms down, you wanna have clean lines. Reginald Ferguson [00:47:38]: There you go. Tiff [00:47:40]: And, this article goes so far as saying wearing big oversized watches serve one Impa. Purpose only, and that is they scream for attention. Reginald Ferguson [00:47:48]: I said compensation. Tiff [00:47:50]: Yeah. And I I have to say when I wore my big oversized watches when I was young, I was like, look at me. I'm wearing a man's watch. I'm trendy. I'm setting my own trend. Look at me. Reginald Ferguson [00:47:59]: Well, women do that now, so what's old is what's new again. Tiff [00:48:01]: Yeah. It's I love it. I mean, also, I did it Practical. Have you seen the sizes of the the watch faces for women? They're small. You need a magnifying glass to see the numbers at my age. Reginald Ferguson [00:48:11]: Women generally have fine wrist. Tiff [00:48:13]: Yeah. Now that's true. And that's what that's what this said in over you know, you need to when you are wearing an oversize a a watch. It needs to fit, and that's number 4. Make it fit. A properly sized watch should cover about 2 thirds of the width of your wrist. Impop. Two thirds of the width of your wrist. Tiff [00:48:32]: That's a properly sized watch you're you're wearing right now. Very nice. Very nice. And a loose band looks sloppy, so you gotta make sure your band fits as well. So take it to your jeweler, get that extra hole punched in the band. Reginald Ferguson [00:48:44]: I've done that. Tiff [00:48:44]: Take that link out, whatever your watch is. Reginald Ferguson [00:48:47]: I've done that. Tiff [00:48:47]: It's gotta look good. It's gotta stay on the top of your wrist. And it'll it'll look nice, not sliding around like a bracelet, which is how I used to wear mine all the time, my big watch. Number 3. Yes? Skip the bling. Reginald Ferguson [00:49:03]: Never had it. Tiff [00:49:04]: You never had bling? No. And pop. Your watch has never had any kind of and by bling, we mean all blinged out with the diamonds and the stones. Yeah. Because I I they're beautiful. Sometimes they're beautiful, almost like jewelry pieces. But once again, this this article talks talks about how the bling is once again over, like you said, overcompensating, screaming, look at me. And pop. Tiff [00:49:30]: And they only it does say the, wearing a diamond encrusted, watch should only be left through those who are music moguls. So so, you know, if you got it, you can flaunt it. But otherwise, as an everyday man, stay away from the bling. Unless it's unless it's a tiny little accent piece of a stone, like in in the number 12 or the number 3 or or an an you know, just small accent making making it a little nice. Reginald Ferguson [00:49:58]: I'm blameless, but I'll keep it in mind. Tiff [00:50:00]: And they say Another thing, never buy a watch with fake stones ever. Never. Because people will People will say, that's that's fake. Obviously, that person needs attention wearing a fake stone watch. Reginald Ferguson [00:50:16]: Impop duly noted. Tiff [00:50:20]: You know, this is for all your clients out there too to know. Okay. Alright. We're getting down to the last 2. Number 2. Reginald Ferguson [00:50:25]: Yes. Tiff [00:50:26]: Don't wear the same watch every day. What? What if you only have 1 watch? Reginald Ferguson [00:50:31]: Well, you keep 1 watch till you get a second watch, Tiff. Tiff [00:50:34]: So in this ex you know, I didn't realize this. I I do have 2 watches. And, you know, I have Tiff [00:50:40]: the luxury of wearing, you know, which one's a dress watch, and one's an everyday watch if I wanted Imposs. Tiff [00:50:41]: Of wearing, you know, which one's a dress watch, and one's an everyday watch if I wanted to wear it. But I you know, I've seen in movies and TV shows, you know, these these Guys who play these high end characters pulling out this drawer from their from their chest of drawers, and it's just Oh. Oh, it's a drawer of, like, 20 different watches. Impulse. I don't have that many. But I do Reginald Ferguson [00:51:02]: I do pull out of my chest of drawers. Tiff [00:51:04]: Of course, you do. Of course, you do. And I'm like, who needs that many watches? Why do you need that many watches? Reginald Ferguson [00:51:10]: I don't have that many watches. Tiff [00:51:11]: Well, it Reginald Ferguson [00:51:12]: I have a few watches. Tiff [00:51:13]: And well Reginald Ferguson [00:51:14]: Probably have 10. Tiff [00:51:16]: Okay. So that's And pop. And you are what this article talks about. You need to have a different watch for for different events or different things you're doing. You know? A watch for the office, the gym, for sporting events, for dinners out, and parties. They all just like they require different clothing, they require different watches. Once again, accessorize to maximize. Don't wear a sport watch with evening wear. Tiff [00:51:42]: You are maximizing your look. So, the article suggests, you know, you spend your money on a couple of really nice pieces and you fill in with budget watches. You know, things that are under 300 or or even less, your Snoopy Timex that you can wear to the baseball game. Reginald Ferguson [00:51:59]: Hoping to get Tiff [00:51:59]: it. $99 on sale right now. And pop. And the last commandment. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:05]: What is it, biggie? Tiff [00:52:08]: Match your medals and colors. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:11]: Okay. Tiff [00:52:11]: What are your thoughts on that? Reginald Ferguson [00:52:13]: I mean, I guess. I mean, I think every time I wear a watch, I wear it appropriately, so I think I'm fine. Tiff [00:52:19]: Well, this is for those who do not. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:21]: Understand. It's a suit. Tiff [00:52:22]: It's not about you. Reginald Ferguson [00:52:23]: I know that. No. Tiff [00:52:24]: I'm not sure. By matching your medals and your colors. Meaning that you, you're not gonna wear Impair. A brown band from your watch when you're wearing a black suit. No. And you you want them metal of your buckles and your two rings, and your rings, and your collar bars, or everything to match, and your cuff links to match the metal on your watch. You know? It's Kinda like the old adage for women in jewelry. You don't wear gold jewelry and silver jewelry together. Tiff [00:52:50]: You either wear 1 or the other. You know, it's it's gaudy or it doesn't I mix up my medals all the time because I'm making a statement. I wanna do that. But As a rule, general rule, you wanna make sure your medals and your colors all come together nicely. And those are the 11 commandments of wearing a wristwatch. Reginald Ferguson [00:53:13]: It's the 11 watch commandments. Tiff [00:53:16]: Now that we've mentioned it, feel free to break any rule to make your own individual statement. I mean, that is what fashion and being creative is all about. But, you know, as a general rule, you gotta start with start at home base. Right? Reginald Ferguson [00:53:31]: Yeah. I liked it, Tiff. Alright. I learned a lot. Tiff [00:53:34]: Yay. I'm glad I'm I'm here to teach Reginald Ferguson [00:53:37]: And pop. Alright. Tiff [00:53:37]: Let's see. Speaking of teaching. Reginald Ferguson [00:53:39]: Fashion word of the day. Fashion award of the day. Tiff [00:53:52]: Because we're here to teach you even more. Now what we're doing here with fashion award of the day, we're bringing a word, a fashion term, menswear fashion term. Impop. Reg Reg has one for me. I don't have one for him today. And, he's gonna give me the term and challenge me with, spelling it, defining it, and using it in a sentence. Reginald Ferguson [00:54:12]: Yep. Tiff [00:54:12]: Bring it. Reginald Ferguson [00:54:13]: Espadrille. Tiff [00:54:16]: Oh, espadrille. Yep. Espadrille. Okay. S e s p a d r I l l e. Yes. And pop. Yay. Tiff [00:54:28]: That was a little bit of Reginald Ferguson [00:54:29]: a challenge. Tell. Tiff [00:54:31]: Now as far as the definition, espadrille for menswear, I can only imagine that espadrille for women's wear is about the same, and that is, Impa. A type of slip on shoe made with canvas or fabric with a rope type sole, sometimes with a wedge. Reginald Ferguson [00:54:54]: You killed it. Tiff [00:54:55]: Did I get it? Reginald Ferguson [00:54:56]: Yeah. Yes. Tiff [00:54:58]: Yes. I have a question. Reginald Ferguson [00:55:00]: Yes? Tiff [00:55:02]: And pop. Can you explain to me where in menswear espadrilles Reginald Ferguson [00:55:08]: are used? Sure. Summertime. Tiff [00:55:11]: Men wear espadrilles? Reginald Ferguson [00:55:13]: I used to rock espadrilles back in the day, easily to make a cut. Tiff [00:55:15]: Did not. Reginald Ferguson [00:55:17]: Had 2 pair. Turquoise green, leather. Tiff [00:55:20]: Oh my god. Turquoise green. Reginald Ferguson [00:55:21]: Oh, that was fly. Tiff [00:55:22]: That's bright. Reginald Ferguson [00:55:23]: Super duper fly. And beige. Tiff [00:55:26]: Do you have espadrilles to this day? Reginald Ferguson [00:55:27]: No. No. No. No. This is back in the day. Tiff [00:55:30]: Okay. Would you would you rock them in this day and age? Reginald Ferguson [00:55:34]: Yes. I was fly then. I'm still fly. Tiff [00:55:37]: So that means you gotta go shopping because I have to see this. Reginald Ferguson [00:55:40]: No. I'm not going I don't need I don't need them anymore. Tiff [00:55:44]: I mean, Reginald Ferguson [00:55:44]: things change. But, I I mean, if I needed them, I'd get a pair. Yeah. Tiff [00:55:47]: That's amazing. Alright. That goes in with our gender fluid Reginald Ferguson [00:55:51]: Fluidity. No. No. No. Tiff [00:55:52]: No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Reginald Ferguson [00:55:53]: Hold on there. Hold on. That's not about gender fluidity. Men and women wear espadrilles. That's it. Why don't you why don't you do a Google search and do a image search of Gary Cooper and John Wayne with their espadrilles? Tiff [00:56:08]: I will. Bam. Alright. Reginald Ferguson [00:56:10]: There you go. Tiff [00:56:11]: I've just been schooled. Reginald Ferguson [00:56:12]: Pretty much. Well, that's a wrap. Thank you so much for listening. We hope you had fun or down for another one. Please tell your friends about us. Tiff [00:56:18]: Absolutely. Reginald Ferguson [00:56:19]: Special shout goes to our producer, Search. Tiff [00:56:21]: As usual, doing the best producing job ever because that's what he does is produce everything, anything. Podcasts. Producing podcasts. If you have any suggestions of, subjects you want us to cover, whether it's fashion Impop. Fool or, fashion word or even fashion hero, you know, back in the day or contemporary. Anything. Reginald Ferguson [00:56:44]: You want a consultation? Impartation. Tiff [00:56:46]: Email us as well as hitting us up on our Instagram. Our email address is Reginald Ferguson [00:56:49]:, Insta, New York fashion geek, slip in the DM. Tiff [00:56:55]: Please have a conversation with us. Talk to us. Let us know what you like. Let us know what you dislike. Let us know what we have taught you because We're here for that. We're here for that as well as augmenting Reg's business of style consultation. We wanna make the everyday man look his everyday best. Reginald Ferguson [00:57:14]: Absolutely. I'm Reg. Tiff [00:57:16]: And I'm Tiff. Reginald Ferguson [00:57:17]: See you next time. And remember, Tiff [00:57:20]: always be fly.
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